Well Designed: A Human Design Podcast

Brandi Healy:

[00:00:42] Welcome to Episode 14 with our guest, Gina Velez
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Brandi Healy: Welcome to Well Designed. I'm Brandi Healy, your host, and I'm here today with my co-host, Kyle Wood. Kyle, do you wanna say Hello?

Kyle Wood: Yes. I'll say hello quickly.

Brandi Healy: And we're super excited because we have our second guest on today. So I am so grateful and feel very fortunate to not only have this person on as a guest, but to call this person one of my close friends, Gina Valez. Gina is a self-love coach and therapist in training. Gina, would you like to say hello?

Gina Velez: Hello. Thank you so much for having me, Kyle and Brandy.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, we're thrilled to kind of branch out into having guests on the podcast and being able to chat with them about the work that they do in the wellness space and you know, how that shows, shows up for them. So, fun little story. Gina and I met almost four years ago during our 200 hour yoga teacher training and have, we're fast friends and have been friends ever since. So,

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: know, it's now coming full circle. I have a podcast, Gina also has a podcast we will link in the show notes. Um, and you know, we're super excited to have you on and to just chat with you about, about the work that you do. So, you know, if you don't mind, I would love for you to share, like, how did you. Come into the wellness space, like how did you, you know, I guess first find yoga and you know, how has that transmuted into the work that you do today?

[00:02:29] Finding wellbing practices through a Tourette's diagnosis
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Gina Velez: Yeah, so that's a, that's like a good, that's a great question. When I was nine, I was diagnosed with Tourette syndrome and part of my, the therapeutic process that I was, um, the work that I was doing with my psychologist was, you know, learning how to self-regulate, learning how to work with this new brain basically that I had.

Um, and then when I got into high school, just learning how to manage the anxiety and, um, depression that I was feeling. And then when I got into college, I started doing transcendental meditation and that was like my first introduction to this world of mindfulness and, and learning how to still the mind and look inward and I.

then yoga after that, as a way to just like keep my body healthy as a dancer, as a performer. And then I lived in New York and that city is crazy and wonderful at the same time, . And I was in show business and was like, I'm losing my mind. I need to, I need something to help me, you know, regulate. So

I started a, a regular meditation practice and I started, um, doing yoga more consistently.

And then I just kind of got hooked. It was as if I didn't want to go a day or two without doing any of those practices. And so I would say for the last about a good 10 years, I have meditated almost every day. And then,

um, yoga has been like the most consistent form of . Movement that I have ever, um, stuck to.

So yeah, that's kind of my, my, journey into wellness. And then of course, you know, you get into the yoga, the meditation, and what you don't realize is that you're going to probably go down this, this slide of, um, taking care of yourself in a more nurturing way and eliminating the things that are no longer serving you.

And you, you hear that in your practice, or you hear your teacher say these things and you're like, yeah, okay, whatever. But eventually it settles into your subconscious and then you're looking at things through the lens of like, is this going to, is this a loving choice for me or is this in my, uh, you know, my highest and best interest?

And, um, eventually you're like, I don't wanna do anything that isn't

Brandi Healy: Yeah. Right.

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: So good. So good. I didn't know, I didn't realize that you had been diagnosed with Tourette's when you were

Gina Velez: Mm.

Brandi Healy: so you know you have been on this wellness journey. For a long time.

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I was really lucky in the support that I had, um, in going through that, that time because, um, the psychologist that I had did like binaural beat

Brandi Healy: Wow.

Kyle Wood: Huh?

Gina Velez: and, um, some other, like what I, at the time, I was like, this is so woo woo and weird. I don't know what is happening. But it was helping . And, um, now that I am, you know, really into the holistic and integrative , Healthcare.

I'm like, oh my gosh, she was so ahead of her time. I like, I wish

I had it right. .I wish I had appreciated it

more then, but now I can integrate all of that into my own therapeutic process and kind of continue that legacy of where she left

Brandi Healy: Oh, so good.

Gina Velez: off. Yeah.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, one of my childhood friends had Tourette's, and I don't remember him doing anything like that. like for the treatment, you know, I think it was more like medication. Here you go to this like different school, uh, and stuff like that. You know, he was like, he was kinda like put in a box of like, your ability level is only this, especially

like school-wise.

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: Um, whereas like my experience as being friends with him for like 30 plus years, uh, is, is not that is like, you know, he is perfectly capable human being. Um, yeah. So, yeah. So I I, I did pick that up in your podcast. I actually had Tourette. I was like, Ooh, we should uh, talk about that. 'cause it'd be interesting to hear your perspective. And interestingly, I'm pretty sure he's

a projector as well. So he's the same

human design type

to you.

Gina Velez: that's pretty cool.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: Gina, like Kyle is a splenic projector, so we'll be

Kyle Wood: gonna talk about your spleen today.

Gina Velez: please don't remove it.

Brandi Healy: Which is crazy because I actually just talked to somebody in real life that had their spleen removed and I was like,

my goodness, I hope that that wasn't their authority.

Kyle Wood: Yeah. Yeah.

Brandi Healy: they're like, apparently you can live without it. I didn't wanna break the news to her that like, some people probably shouldn't

Gina Velez: It's a good human design joke.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, right. it

it, it wasn't the right in the right room. The

wasn't the right room for that, but, yep. So, you know, talk to me a little bit about how you first discovered human design and when you found out like you were a projector and what that meant like,

Gina Velez: mm-hmm.

Brandi Healy: What came up for you because you know, it can be a permission slip for some and it can also be very upfronting to others.

[00:08:12] Why it's important as a projector to still be seen
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Gina Velez: Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was a permission slip. I remember feeling so. Like I, I had this burden removed off of my shoulders that like, oh, okay, this explains so much now. And yes, it gave me the permission to use my energy in a way that worked for me because I had been so conditioned to the hustle, the grind.

And if it, if it doesn't feel good, that's okay. Don't listen to that. Authority, just go with whatever the dominant cultures, um, telling you to do. And when you first explained you're a projector, you show up to be seen. I was like, okay, first of all, what does that mean? ? But second of all, because it

was just so beyond my grasp of like, I don't make the first move.

Like how, what is that? Like how is anything gonna happen? And you were like, no, you still make the effort. You show up, but you let people come to you that you're the magnetic one. You let people be drawn into you and they make the first move that then gives you the invitation in. And I was like, oh. And once I thought back on all of the big moments in my life, it's always been I show up to be seen.

I'm like, Hey, how you doing? If you want, you can pick me. If not, I'm like, totally fine with that. And all of the best things that have ever happened have come from that kind of, um, interaction.

Brandi Healy: Wow.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I like that. That resonates with, with my experience as well of first becoming a projector and actually same initially being like, wait, what? I can't make things happen. But then you're having a think about it and it's like, oh yeah, there was always like an invitation there and those moments that like really propelled things forward. Um, and the showing up to be seen is such a big, big one. Like, uh, I remember years ago when I was doing a bit of stuff around like male friendships, like friendships between two men and like that was one of the things, That we would practice is like going, going first in, in that like, you show up first and like be vulnerable first and then, and then that, and that's like very much, that's that like being seen.

Brandi Healy: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: Uh, and then, but then that gives the other person an opportunity to then like invite you in if they want to like continue that conversation or, or have that connection.

Gina Velez: Yeah, it's so important to have that understanding. Otherwise, you're just spinning your wheels going like, what's wrong with me? Am I ? Am I broken?

Like, why, why is, why isn't this working? The way in which it works for other people? And then once you have that awareness, it, it's an epiphany and you can kind of relax and, and find the ease in it.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: Yeah. And

Gina, I think that you do such a beautiful job of being seen in the work that you do on your social media through your podcast, like really communicating to people what it is that you do and how you're available to serve them, which you know, That is something that I struggle with tremendously.

as a projector and like I, you know, I watch you do it and it's just like, ugh. Goals right there. And, you know, I'm really curious how your background in theater and in musical theater and performing arts has maybe supported that. If that's something that's crossed your mind. Like, you know, you, you spent so much time in that world, as you had mentioned. Um, I'm, I'm curious if that was something that was ever a struggle for you, or maybe it's just a, it, maybe it still is. Just behind the scenes,

[00:12:16] Working in the performing arts as a projector
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Gina Velez: Yes. It's a, it's a, it's a layered, um, uh, process or, or something that I go through. But I would definitely say that per my performing arts background has lent itself really well to showing up and being vulnerable in a performance or in a, an audience type setting. And when I can like put the, um, this is my business.

I am a personality right now. I. On social media, even on my podcast, this is a facet of me that is authentic to me. I'm not putting on a, a show, but I am tapping into a very specific part of myself, and then I'm able to just be, and that is, that is also what we do as actors. We tap into these vulnerable parts of ourselves and we allow that to transcend into the role, and we can then step out at the end of the night and go like, okay, I'm still me.

And that role is still that character, but I also know where the lines. drawn. And that's the same thing with like showing up on social media. And I had only made that connection like a couple of months ago where I thought, oh, if I can just perspective shift and see me posting videos on Instagram or TikTok and Phil, uh, recording my podcast as the self-love coach, Gina, then I can take the pressure off of it being all of me and that I have to give all of me away.

And that was very like protective of those like vulnerable parts within me. Um, and then going to back to the projector of like showing up to be seen and waiting for the invitation. As a performer, you're just auditioning all the time and you're literally showing up to be seen all the time

Brandi Healy: and to be invited, right?

Like

Gina Velez: be invited.

Brandi Healy: Invited into a job.

Gina Velez: Yeah, your agent calls you and is like, come in for this audition. They want to see you for this role. , I'm I'm gonna go see if I can get seen at this audition. It's, it's very much the same vernacular, but just in a

Brandi Healy: wild.

Gina Velez: yeah. I just, I had no idea that I was like, oh, yeah. I was definitely in the perfect career for myself at that time.

And this, this, uh, transition into this career also is the same.

Brandi Healy: So fun fact,

Kyle is also a former musical theater

Gina Velez: I

[00:14:55] Seeing posting to social media as a performance
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Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm listening along to this, like with, with, uh, with a lot of interest because, um, because yeah, I really struggle with the social media stuff and I have thought about that. So I guess what comes up for me is Uh, which is just, you know, like, I probably can't answer this myself, but I want to hear your answer, if it's not for you. So do you feel it doesn't feel disingenuous because it's, because it's, you are, you are kind of clarifying, like, I mean, you worked as a performer, so you kind of see creating that content and things like that as, as a performance as, and it that's okay because it's part

of your work.

Gina Velez: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I

feel like there are certain people who have earned the right to see all of me. And, um, the people who I'm, I'm posting to, I mean, realistically they just haven't, and that's okay. And that's like the beauty of social

media is that we get to pick and choose which parts of ourselves we want to, um, express.

And so I think the balance is finding the, the dance between how can I be as authentic and truthful to myself in this moment and to this, these people who are watching these videos so they don't feel like it's disingenuous, they don't feel like it's a performance or like I'm, I am, uh, a character in a play, but that I am showing up as fully and authentically as this boundary will allow.

Kyle Wood: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Healy: You know, that reminds me, Gina and I worked with the same business coach and one of the things that she said in her podcast was that she likes to be, share things that are personal but not private.

And so I think it's like

for each of us to determine what that is, right? And saying like, this is something That's personal, that makes people know me, but maybe that's not private, that, as you mentioned, like these people haven't earned access to.

Gina Velez: yes.

Brandi Healy: Um,

so that's something that I, you know, that sounds like, you know, coincides with, with what you're saying as well.

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm. .Yeah. Definitely keeps you safe, you know? And, and it keeps the people around you safe and keeps the audience safe.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, totally, totally.

Gina Velez: are.

Kyle Wood: Yeah. Yeah. I, I like

that

perspective

shift.

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: like, and each of us get to decide what those are, right? It's like

no one

else gets to tell us like, what is personal versus private or what our boundaries are. So, um, you know,

you,

oh, please,

Kyle Wood: I was gonna say, it reminds me of when I used to run bootcamps, like I was definitely bootcamp instructor, Kyle like That was like a version of me. And, and that was always just a thing with any sort of training. It was about the client, not me. So yeah, I didn't bring

my shit into it.

Brandi Healy: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: and instead focused on if they wanted to bring their stuff into it, that was fine. Um, 'cause you know, it's a private relationship, but yeah, make it about them, not about, um, about me. So yeah, there definitely was, you know, even getting people going at six o'clock in the morning, which you both will probably know if

you've run,

I know Brandy, you've run classes,

you know,

Brandi Healy: Gina is also a 6:00 AM vet.

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Kyle Wood: So you know that that is a good perspective shift for me. And I think I am able to approach that with email. But for whatever reason, social media is a sticking point for me. I don't know if it's because it's like people who do know me, Like in day-to-day life, who also follow me on there and

it feels really weird.

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: Brandy's giving me

weird faces over here.

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Kyle Wood: That feels really weird. Anyway, we don't let, let's, I don't want to get bogged into

like a

full hour

Brandi Healy: you, I we're, we're like wanting to get projected by Gina on what our hanger hangups are right now. And

Kyle Wood: yeah,

Brandi Healy: we're

gonna have to have you back and like self-love coach us through that because Kyle and I suffer from

the same thing.

Kyle Wood: a

reversal

episode?

Gina Velez: Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Kyle Wood: this episode,

and

Gina Velez: Let's do it.

Kyle Wood: and do us.

Brandi Healy: a hundred percent. So this one is about you

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: but

one of the other things that you said about like wearing this hat, right, of like Gina, the self-love coach. I think that we all do that and Kyle just mentioned the same thing. Like there was bootcamp Kyle, right? Like we kind of change these personas. Throughout our day, like I have Brandy, the mom, I have brandy,

you know, the human design guide. I have brandy who shows up in my day job like these. None of them are less me than another. They're just, you know, different flavors of myself. So

[00:20:06] What are internal family systems?
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Brandi Healy: I think that that really lends itself, Gina, to the work that you are embarking on now with internal family systems. And, you know, you talked about early, you had kind of mentioned earlier, some of the most important shifts in your life have happened through happenstance and invitation, and this was kind of one of them.

Gina Velez: Yeah. Yeah. Um, wait, can you clarify the I F Ss or this podcast?

Brandi Healy: Well, like just, I mean, just like your transition into going from like being a yoga teacher to now, like being a therapist in training and like the work that you're doing with I f s. Sorry. Thank

you.

Gina Velez: No, no, no. That's okay. That's what I had. I had a feeling, but I just wanted to make sure.

[00:20:54] A great example of waiting for the invitation and using your authority
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Gina Velez: Yeah. Um, it's, it's all been like kind of synchronistic and, um, uh, perfectly, I think divinely planned, but I had considered going back to school to become a therapist for a couple of years. And last year you, and, well, you hadn't yet, but I had decided to join the Yoga Boss group and, um, at that time, the school that I was looking at to do marriage and family therapy was still accepting applications.

And my friend was like, you should just apply. And I was like, no, I'm doing this, you know, coaching program, which ended up being an amazing experience. And I'm so glad I did it 'cause I learned so much. But at that time I thought, no, it, it's just not the right fit for me. I probably don't need to become a therapist, I'll just do my own coaching.

And then a year later, she has the same, my friend has the same conversation with me again of like, you know, they still have applications, you still seem interested. And so I showed up to be seen at like this, um, meet and greet with a counselor, and she invited me to apply and I did. And then I was invited into an interview and invited into like the program.

So that was really amazing because I think I, I have always known that this was the right path. I just, I just didn't recognize it. Does that make sense? Like I, I knew on a subconscious level that eventually one day would do that, but realistically, I didn't.

Brandi Healy: Kyle is like bursting to talk right now.

Kyle Wood: Well, I know we're both like, yeah, so I want, because that's a pretty big decision. Like you're

committing, what

is it, two

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm. two years.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, two years full-time. Uh, so I did want to check in like. You did mention, kind of know this knowing which can come with a splenic authority, um,

this intuitive

knowing

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: something is the right path. And you say you had that for a while, so what was, what was kind of getting in the way of just saying yes when you felt like you knew it was the right

choice?

Gina Velez: My logical brain ,

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Gina Velez: right? That, that the, not the ego voice, but the 'cause. I think the ego is, it, it, if we go back to internal family systems, there are so many different voices in our, our heads that we relate to in

a daily basis. And I would say the fear of spending the money to go to grad school and the time that it was gonna take and the big radical life shifts that would have to happen.

And I just thought this, this would be really cool, but in an ideal world, but in my reality, I have to do X,

Y, and Z in order to be successful.

Kyle Wood: Yep.

Gina Velez: But. Uh, well, really what needed to happen in order to be successful was just say yes to grad school. And therein lies the success.

Kyle Wood: Yeah. So you've been feeling that, that sense of success

Gina Velez: Yes.

Kyle Wood: even just

making that

decision?

Gina Velez: Oh my gosh. Yeah. That was a

full body. Hell, yes.

Kyle Wood: Speak, tell, tell. Can you

speak more to that?

Gina Velez: Yeah. So, um, when I had that meet and greet with a counselor, it was supposed to be like a 20 minute conversation and we ended up talking for like an hour. And I just remember thinking, oh my gosh, I'm nerding out about the brain and about mindfulness and all of this stuff with this counselor who's in the program as well.

And I just thought, this is it. I, this is, this is where I'm supposed to be right now. And when I went in for my interview, the woman who was interviewing me was so awesome that I thought, I wanna be her one day and I can be her one day. You know, just like on the other end of the table and facilitating these conversations with up and coming passionate individuals and, um, yeah, it just all felt like this, this bubbling, this fire.

Not a fire, but just this like spark of Yes, in the body and in the gut.

Kyle Wood: Wow. Yeah. I, I think that's such a, I don't know what Brady's gonna say, but I think that's such a good, uh, example of, of splenic authority

at work

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: a.

Kyle Wood: just that whole like conversation and that feeling recognized and seen. Uh, and then it wasn't like a, it was a, sounds like it was a quiet kind of confident Yes. Not like a, not like a screamy, ragy,

yelly,

voice.

Brandi Healy: Reactionary

Kyle Wood: Yeah. Yeah.

Brandi Healy: Well, and I think that, you know, one of the things that comes with splenic authority is like this is the most quiet authority. Right. And sometimes people say like, if you're not

paying attention, you might miss it. And some you can't chase after it. It

shows up. When it shows up. Right. But like, I think this is a great example of like when something is right for you, like that intuitive if hit will come back,

Gina Velez: Oh, interesting. I didn't know

that. Or I didn't, I don't think I recognized that.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, like, so it's like you got it the first

time, but you like talked yourself out of it. But when it,

when it came back, when the opportunity was presented to you again, like you, you got that intuitive hit a second time because it was still a right decision for you.

Gina Velez: Yes. Alright. That makes so much sense.

Brandi Healy: You know, like right before we started, it started rec recording, we were chatting about how similar Internal family systems is to, you know, how we talk about like the different parts of our design and all those, sometimes they conflict, you know, they're all a part of us. So, you know, for someone that is not familiar with Internal Family Systems, can you give like the elevator pitch, the headline of what ,what Internal Family Systems is, and you know, what. What about the system really drew you to, you know, wanna be wanting to be a facilitator?

Gina Velez: Yeah, so I'll just start with the fact that I haven't gone through any formal trainings for if F Ss yet.

Brandi Healy: Mm-hmm.

Gina Velez: on my to-do list

very soon. But I am working with an I F SS therapist and I read, uh, Dick Schwartz's book, no Bad Parts. And that really was a, an aha moment for me of like, we demonize the ego so much and, and a lot of the, um,

Work that, that we do in the, like, shadow work and all that stuff. And it's like your shadow and your ego, and, but it, they're, it's not, they're not bad and they're serving a purpose. And this book reminded me that yes, we don't, there are no bad parts. They're all there and they all just wanna be loved.

There's just, they're just forced into these roles that, um, we have put them into in times of trauma or great duress. And so, um, internal Family Systems is a, an evidence-based model of therapy that basically looks at your internal world, like your mind through the lens of multiplicity. So you, um, of, think of, um, inside Out Disney's Inside Out, it's, I think it's,

Brandi Healy: movie.

Gina Velez: Uh, it's brilliant and I'm, I, I always refer to that movie when people go ask me about Internal Family Systems.

I just say, go watch the movie. It'll explain most of it. It doesn't get all of it. Um,

Brandi Healy: You get the

Gina Velez: which you get the gist though, and it's really helpful to view, to, to use that as, as your, like springboard. But yeah, so like we have joy, we have sadness, we have, what is it? Rage, fear

Brandi Healy: Anger

Gina Velez: and anger, uh, disgust, right?

But there's, there are even more cast of, of a cast of characters inside our head and they're all working together or interacting together, I should say. Some of them don't work well together and that's, you know, our job when we are led by this, uh, loving presence within us called self, that is . The work that that is being done in this model is that we are, are learning how those parts can more effectively work together to create a harmonious and loving system.

Um, which a family is a system.

Brandi Healy: Hmm.

Gina Velez: that's, really you're looking at your brain as if you were looking at your external family, this is now your internal family.

Kyle Wood: Yeah. Uh, yeah. So yeah, because we, when I first heard the term, um, internal Family Systems, I was like, has this, is this like, got to do with like passed down, like trauma and stuff like that? So it was really helpful. I listened. You've got a podcast episode. I'll link to it in the show notes where you explain it really well.

I mean, you just explained it very well then as well. But, um, yeah, for people who wanna know

a bit more,

Gina Velez: Right on.

Kyle Wood: and I, and I, I do, I do have a way I want to tie that back to human

design,

Brandy,

Brandi Healy: Please.

Kyle Wood: all right.

[00:30:32] How does the Ego show up in Human Design?
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Kyle Wood: If you don't have a, so you mentioned ego a few times because I think human design has like a really positive way of looking at ego as well. So one of the centers, so when people are looking at their chart, I don't know if you, have you looked at your chart, Gina, with all like the shapes and the lines

connecting?

Yeah.

Gina Velez: I have

Kyle Wood: one of those, it's this little triangle, um, next to our identity that's called, well it's called the willpower center sometimes, but it's also like called the ego center. And um, yeah, we don't really look at that as, I mean you can definitely be like in the shadow, but mostly we look at that as a positive thing because that's a source of energy in human design that can be What we call like a motor center. So it can actually create that sense of like getting things done, getting things finished, all the way through to completion.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, it's

Kyle Wood: it in that positive way, Brandy will come in there, 'cause brandy's great at explaining and describing the,

those different aspects.

Brandi Healy: the centers. Well, yeah, like, and so one of the things that, you know, Gina, on your chart, your ego center is undefined, and so it's white, it's not shaded in, and you have some of your gates defined in there. But like when the ego center is undefined, that means that you know, you have a willpower that ebbs and flows. So very similar to like a projector, your energy that ebbs and flows, your willpower also ebbs and flows. Um, this is also where we hold our self-worth. So your sense of self-worth can also ebb and flow. So when you have an awareness of what it looks like to be in the shadow of this. So maybe at times when you might feel down on yourself or you might not feel motivated, whether it's in your work or in your relationships to like know, oh, that's just a part of who I am. And in my wisdom, I know that I have nothing to prove, I don't need to force myself to keep doing, to keep going to be motivated, or I don't need to force myself to make choices out of a need to prove I can. Trust my intuitive knowing to make decisions that are in alignment for me versus making decisions from my ego.

And one of the amazing things about open centers is like these are the places that we're really sensitive. And also they're here where we learn lessons, but they're also where we teach lessons. So we think in the work that you do, you teach people the value of self-love and self-acceptance, and it's like such a beautiful embodiment of this open center that you have in your chart.

Gina Velez: Yeah. Yeah, that makes so much sense because I think in order to teach self-love and self-acceptance, one needs to be able to speak from that place of truth. And I know what it's like to be in a place of self-loathing and that all the lessons I learned to get to this place of self-love. I, I now want to share it with as many people as possible because it's, one, it is possible to learn how to love yourself, and two, in the times that you forget or the times that you don't even have the capacity to love yourself.

Okay. What are some practices that you can do that can remind those parts of you that you're safe, that you're enough, that you can choose the loving, um, part, the, the loving thoughts as opposed to the fear-based thoughts or the loving actions as opposed to the fear-based actions.

Brandi Healy: Oh, so good.

So, so good. And what I love that you just

spoke to was about, you've been there, you've gone through the experiences. I think that that like really naturally lends itself to your profile. So you're a three, six,

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm.

Brandi Healy: and.

Kyle Wood: hmm.

[00:34:47] The craziness of having a 3/6 profile
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Brandi Healy: Threes do all the things and try all the things and learn all the lessons, which is also the first 30 years of being ethics It's like, so it's like you double down sister like

Gina Velez: I sure did. , I always joke, I'm like a cat that's had nine lives and I'm pretty sure in the, my first 30 years of life I had about eight of them. So hopefully this last life things are gonna go well.

Brandi Healy: Well, what's like, what I love is like I met you, like right as you were transitioning from that first phase into the next phase. So,

you know, from 30 to 50 we call this sitting on the roof. This is when you like, typically like people with sixes, like have like radical life changes. Like you moved back to California, like you started yoga, you, you know, your life is completely different than it was four years ago.

Gina Velez: Oh my gosh. So different

Brandi Healy: So different. Right. And you know, so different than it was four years ago and it's like you're it for sixes, it's like that 30 to 50 is where you take all those lessons from the first 30 years and like distill them down, right? And like start to refine them and. embody them and put them into practice. And I remember the first time we sat down to talk about your human design and we talked about that sixth line. And most people, when you tell them about the three parts of the sixth line, they're like, wait, so like my life doesn't get good until I'm 50. You were like, oh my God, this is amazing. I'm like a fine wine. I'm just gonna keep getting better and better. And like, so now that's like my go-to starting point and I'm like, so you're a six.

So it just, your life keeps getting better and like, let me tell you, that is like gold. So thank you for that

Gina Velez: Yeah, talk about perspective shifts, right?

Brandi Healy: Totally, Totally, But you know, it's, it's so great to hear you as a three, really talk about the value of sharing your experiences. Even when they've been challenging and like, I think that that goes back to, you know, our ear earlier part of our conversation. It's like they can be personal without being private.

Gina Velez: Yeah. Yeah,

[00:37:10] Gina asks how does Saturn return show up in Human Design?
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Gina Velez: definitely. Yeah. Now Brandi, I have a question for you and Kyle, you as well do,

Kyle Wood: Hmm '

Gina Velez: cause you know Saturn returns. Have you guys heard of those, how they happen?

Usually every 20 to, what is it, 27 to 32 years I think is a Saturn return cycle. Does that have anything to do with your three, six lines or whatever someone's lines may be.

Kyle Wood: the

lines

Yeah,

Brandi Healy: are not astrology

experts.

Kyle Wood: yeah. But I, I do believe that that yes, that this, 'cause it's the way, the sixth line is

that it does,

Brandi Healy: it correlates.

Kyle Wood: to do with, it does have more to do with satin. So that Yeah. That, that tends to correlate with that. And it's gonna be really strong for the people who have that sixth line.

Yeah. Usually it's like the ones that the people I've spoken, spoken to, usually it's like they do a big move. Um, big career change, like maybe they got married young. That ends and, and new relationship starts, like yeah, it's all around that age. And it's just kind of like, it's such a big force. It's, this is one thing that pretty consistently shows up. Even if someone's super out of alignment with their design, I don't know if you found that brandy like

it's

Brandi Healy: My, so my husband has a sixth line, and we started dating right before he turned 30. And you know, within like A few, like, and we had known each other for, I don't know, probably two years before we started dating. And so he, we started dating and like very quickly got married and started our family and like

now he's like at the

tail end of his sitting on the roof. So he, he's 46 so you know, we're heading into the next transition or

he is, I'm just witnessing I'm along, I'm along for the ride. But what's really cool is both of my kids, um, have the same profile as my husband. They're both four sixes as well. So, you know, it's really lovely to have a parent that can share their lived experience of what that is like and be a support to that.

And even myself carrying a three line can be supportive of my kids going through, you know, this first 30 years and like, trying to release the need to like, make them hold onto things and like encouraging them to try things instead of, uh, you know, stick with the thing because that's what you're supposed to do.

And it's like, nope, they're, they have the sixth line and it's like they're meant to experiment and, and try things and, and, you know, learn from those experiences to benefit them in the future.

Gina Velez: Yeah. I think that's so beautiful. Brandy, as a mom, to give your kids that permission to teach them how to give themselves that permission to be able to use their energy in a way that is effective for them. Because as adults, we're having to unlearn all of that conditioning in order to relearn something new.

And that's much harder to do than it is when they're, they're young and their brains are super, you know, plastic and they can just figure it out now, like they're gonna be miles ahead.

Brandi Healy: Yeah. Here's how big

Gina Velez: Yeah. .They already are. I know her kids. They're incredible.

Brandi Healy: Thank you.

We like them

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: Um,

[00:40:57] Acting as a Manifesting Generator when you're a Projector
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Brandi Healy: You know, we've talked a lot about conditioning, both in like internal family systems, and it's something that comes up a lot in human design, like whether it's in human design or maybe something that's shown up for you. Like is there an area in your own life that you're like, oh, this is a place that like I had to work at in terms of conditioning?

Whether it's like, you know, in being a projector and like not forcing yourself to keep up or maybe any other, you know, part of your design that, you know, has brought more awareness of like, oh, that's been off for me.

Gina Velez: Yeah, I think I used to use my energy like I was a manifesting generator. , or what's, which are the ones that have so much energy and they, they like don't need to really rest. they all need to rest, but,

Brandi Healy: Yeah, autopsy to rest, but like

both generators and manifesting generators have really consistent energy manifesting generators like are known to operate very quickly, but probably because you're a three

manifesting generator. probably like, 'cause they pick up, they do

lots of things and pick things up and let things go.

Similar to like having a three.

Gina Velez: Mm.

Yeah.

Kyle Wood: that's the one I like resonate more with like when I was, have been out of alignment

as a manifesting generator. 'cause I don't just have like one interest as well, which can, can be like manifesting generators, tend to like, have lots of different, be passionate about lots of different things. Uh, you know, generalization.

But generators can tend to just be like, focused

on one thing at a

time.

Gina Velez: Right, right.

Kyle Wood: so yeah. Yeah, definitely manifesting generator for me of like, oh, I'm gonna do like all of the things. And especially when there's recognition there, uh, which. Sorry, I know Brandi had a question for you, but Yeah, when there's recognition there that's like, um, oh, you, you're so helpful with this, and oh, you, you know, I love that I can always rely on you to get this done.

And, and that can feel kind of good as a projector because you're like, oh, these people are really recognizing my gifts. But, um, well, they're not, sorry. They're not really recognizing your gifts. They're recognizing like how much you can do. Uh, and so you can sort of fall onto this trap where you're like doing lots of things for, for other people because there's, uh, it'd be interesting how I f Ss speaks to this, but because there's like compliments and affirmation there, uh, but you're not, you've, you've sort of gone away from allowing yourself to rest and really focusing on really focusing on your gifts and finding the people who really want you to share your gifts with them rather than Uh, you know, as a, as a guy just being like Mr. Dependable, who like will always show up and put his hand up for things and stuff like that.

Gina Velez: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That's funny that you also resonate with the manifesting generator when you're out of a line. Because that's, that's why I brought it up. 'cause I've always, I, before Brandy read my design, I thought I was a man manifesting generator. I was like, oh, for sure. That sounds

a lot like me.

That's probably it. When she said, you're a projector, I was like, what? Are you serious? And she was like, you don't create your own energy. And I was like, what? But that makes so much sense as to why I burn out so quickly of why

I was feeling so depleted all the time. And, um, so now I am really intentional about my energy use.

And when I am, I'm like, okay, we're gonna do like the, the really like 60 40 rule instead of 80 20, it's like 60 40. So I'll do, I'll do like some things and then I am, I'm like, no, but I can keep going. And I really have to step in and be like, no Gina, you need to take a break. Because if you don't take a break, you're gonna be, you're literally like robbing Paul to pay Peter later,

And so, Take, take the, take the break now, rebuild your energy, go do something nourishing and then come back to it. Because if I just work straight through something at the end, I'm like a zombie and then I can't function for a few days. So that's, that was like an

Brandi Healy: you pay the price.

Gina Velez: Yes. You always do.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I founded, um, I used to be able to operate that way and I, a couple of times I became unstuck was when I. Had a, a generator business partner, uh, who I just got caught up. He was like in pretty good alignment and I just got caught up in his energy and we were starting, like, they were running like workshops over here and we're starting like a new like business. We're gonna like franchise over here. And I was going back to like running sessions and I was like running my existing business and doing all things. And I just crashed like so like deep into a deep well of despair. I remember coming back out of that, I would start off just doing half an hour of work a day because I really couldn't like, manage anything more than that. And this was before kids, this is when I had like nothing. Now I look back at that, I'm like, what was he doing? But yeah, I just like pushed myself like way beyond where it needed to go. Um, and then ano and then the other time it was after having kids, because then I probably still was operating in these like Burst where I would push myself too hard and then relax and push myself too hard and then fall back. And then when I had kids, suddenly I'm already operating, like using a certain amount of my energy, just being like a dad and trying to be like present and show up and, you know, maybe we need to talk about some, um, self-love practices for

me. Gina, we

need to have you back on

again.

Gina Velez: Yeah, definitely

Brandi Healy: both like,

Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah. But yeah, then I, I couldn't do that with my business anymore because I couldn't afford to just be like completely tapped out

because

Brandi Healy: you know, somebody has to pay the rent,

Kyle Wood: Yeah. Well, I mean, work-wise, but also like somebody, you know, I'm also married to a projector who also needs, needs rest.

So like, you know, I can't just like tap out and sit around watching tv like I would used to be able to do or playing video games. Like I used to be able to do like You know, there's things I need to contribute to what's just going on day to day in the house as well. So, yeah. But both of those things have been like eye-opening and have, just have had to change and like find new ways to do things.

And yeah, the human design's been really helpful on like learning to prioritize, knowing I have that limited energy, knowing the importance of waiting for the invitation and how that's, that's really there to protect my energy. So it's like really trying to focus on those areas of my life where I really feel seen, really feel

invited in and let go of the other aspects,

but it's

tough sometimes.

Gina Velez: Yeah.

[00:48:07] Getting caught up in sacral energy (when you're non-sacral)
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Gina Velez: You said something important there that you were getting caught up in your business Partner's Energy, and I think that is something

we underestimate a lot. That we are all ener, like first and foremost, we are energy inside these like human meat suits, you know, so it's like,

it's so easy to to blend your energy and, and to not recognize that you're taking on someone else's.

And so, Thank you for sharing about, you know, having to navigate this as a parent, because I can only imagine how challenging that must be when you have, you know, two little ones to look after and there, you know, one is maybe having a meltdown and another one is, is like needing something else. It's like, how do you, I don't know.

And Brandy, you could probably attest to this too, but like, how do you continue to manage your own energy and not get caught up in

in the, I don't know, maybe the current.

Kyle Wood: mm mm-hmm. The human design stuff definitely helps, like knowing where your kids are more, most likely to impact you. 'cause we can look at where you, before Brandi was saying, you know, how like your, your willpower, your ego center is open so you're a bit more impacted, your self-worth and things like that can be impacted by those around you. So knowing where those spots are with your family members can be really helpful because then, you know, brandy's been really helpful because she has a defined emotional center, also has a daughter with a defined emotional center, which I have. And yeah, this is our youngest daughter. She was just beginning to rule, rule the house with this.

She's the one person in the house with this center defined and like, as soon as she would lose it, and it's very Strong, but just being able to recognize that now and being like, it's okay for me. 'cause my reaction of like her impacting me is to just, is to react and, and try and fix it as quickly

as possible.

Brandi Healy: Shut it down. Shut it down.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, exactly.

No,

Brandi Healy: Mayday

Kyle Wood: it's okay for her

Brandi Healy: Emergency responder in you.

Kyle Wood: Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. it's like quick change yourself. Uh, yeah. Um, yeah. But yeah, just knowing that that's, that's her and that it's, it's a okay for her to feel strongly like that. Um, and, and b, that like, I don't need to like rush in to fix it. Uh, and it's okay for her to just like ride that. Ride that out. You know, I, I'll always, always be there for cuddles and things like that. Um, but, but yeah, I don't need to Yeah. It's okay for us to say no or for her to not have something straight away or, yeah. Whereas before, yeah, we very quickly, because when a child is a baby, you do need to respond

quickly

Brandi Healy: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: like part of being a good parent, but then as she's getting older, it's like, oh,

okay,

Brandi Healy: she's like, I know how to get what I

want.

Kyle Wood: and you are escalating this very quickly doesn't mean you need to have it

Brandi Healy: Yeah, We're still working that,

Gina Velez: ahead.

Brandi Healy: I was just saying we're still working on that with our 10 year old. So

Gina Velez: Mm.

Brandi Healy: the, the road is long. The road is long.

Kyle Wood: Oh yeah.

Gina Velez: Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think you're right. Having that awareness of who the people in your immediate vicinity, what their, what their designs are, is so helpful to understand, okay, how do I interact with that? How do I conserve my own energy? That's, that awareness is key.

Kyle Wood: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:58] How do you manage your energy as a therapist?
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Kyle Wood: Uh, uh, speaking of energy, actually I had a question related to this and maybe, yeah, it's a bit shortsighted or I, I don't know, maybe like now we're talking about this stuff. Um, yeah, it'll be interesting. I myself have like, probably something, I don't know, all projectors, maybe think about once in their life as like becoming a therapist.

'cause you

naturally feel like,

Brandi Healy: We wanna solve everyone's problems,

Gina Velez: That makes a lot of sense.

Brandi Healy: wanna.

Kyle Wood: up for me.

Gina Velez: Yes.

Kyle Wood: We want

people to like listen,

Gina Velez: Yeah.

Kyle Wood: take care advice. But, uh, something that came up for me that I was thinking for you is how do you think when as a therapist you are And I guess you're trained to do this, but you are giving like so much attention and focus to these people. How do you think you'll manage your energy? in not taking on the stuff that you're working with other people and because of your, you've got that, like you've got, you are also, you also have an open emotional center like me. So like, you know, you really feel other people's emotions, which is great.

Gives you empathy, but can also be a lot, you know, you think can catch you off guard. Um, so you had, how do you think you manage and being a projector? Like, have you thought about that? Um, or are you just like super pumped about doing it? You haven't thought about that

yet?

Brandi Healy: She's like both

Gina Velez: You, yeah. A little bit of both, but no, I actually have thought about that because I, again, as an actor, you do . A ton of shows every week. Sometimes eight shows a week. You need to be able to

step out

Kyle Wood: were sorry, I, because I did wanna ask you about that as well. So when you were in New York, you were doing like Yeah. The full, like, what is it, six night

shows? Two

matinee,

Gina Velez: Well, that's,

Kyle Wood: like eight

shows a week.

Gina Velez: yeah. Sometimes even like, so that's usually Broadway. Broadway is like eight shows a week. Um, but like even on a

contract for a summer stock gig or just a regional theater production, you're, you're probably doing somewhere around eight shows a week. So you really need to

learn how to conserve your energy.

And again, going back to like the 60 40, I would say it's about 80 20. That 80 20 rule is so important to not just like give a hundred percent on night one because by your like Sunday matinee, you're not gonna have a voice. So that, that,

is like the, like how do you pace yourself? And also there's something to be said about.

Your, you've conditioned yourself to be in that place physically, mentally, and emotionally already. I think right now, if I were to jump into a, a run, I would, I would be like, no, I need to, I need to work back up into this. So I think there's a little bit of that.

As a therapist, I'll be in a place where, okay, I've done enough of this.

I know how to handle this. But yeah, I've definitely considered it that, um, reiki is, uh, something that I practice and so that form of

of like healing my energy after a client leaves the room and like .

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Gina Velez: my, connecting all of my chakras and getting everything in alignment and maybe, uh, healing any gaps that may have formed in that session.

Removing

any of the energy that I might have taken on literally the physical gestures of it to really help. And because I'm such a physically based person, shaking it out like the shaking and dancing it out, or maybe doing like some sun salutations in between sessions, something that will help ground me physically, because then the mind always follows suit and the, the energetic body as well.

Brandi Healy: Oh, so good.

Kyle Wood: De defined, defined,

root center.

Brandi Healy: I was just gonna say to find root center.

Kyle Wood: should've

known to be

Gina Velez: Wait, what does that mean?

Brandi Healy: So like you have a defined root center, and our root, our root is like, um, governs stress. So you have like this ability to like be really calm, like when like shit hits the fan, but like you also can impact other people with your stress. So like when things are a little bit hectic, movement is super helpful. So it's like, I think about all of these like somatic embodiment tools that you use, like tapping and like dancing and like shaking that are, you know, very natural to the needs of your design. It's like intuitively trusting that you know what your body needs.

Gina Velez: Mm yes. Oh my gosh, yes. You just hit the nail on the head right there. That's really cool.

Brandi Healy: So do you have any que Kyle did you have any more questions for Gina?

Kyle Wood: Uh, no, but yeah, I'd love to

hear if

she's got any

Brandi Healy: Yeah. Do you have any questions for us?

Gina Velez: Um, No, I don't think so. I feel, I feel like I know a lot about Brandy's design and I, I think it's really funny that we're all projectors on this call,

Kyle Wood: Yeah,

Gina Velez: and that Kyle, you and I are both splenic projectors.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Gina Velez: Um,

Yeah.

I don't think I do . Not that I can think of right now. Of course, we'll get off the call and I'll be like, oh, dang it.

I meant to ask this one thing.

Brandi Healy: Uh, light me up girlfriend. You got,

you got hotline bling. Just text me

Gina Velez: I am so grateful for that, truly because sometimes we'll give you a call and I'll, we'll just be like talking about literally nothing or everything and nothing at the same time, and then you'll drop like this really knowledgeable truth bomb about human design, and I'm like, oh my gosh, Brandy, you just blew my mind.

I have so much to sit with now, , so I'm, I am, I'm very

Brandi Healy: projector the shit outta you.

Gina Velez: Yes, you do.

Kyle Wood: That be fine? Yep. I've been, I've been there. Gina I've been on the

receiving end of that

too.

Gina Velez: Yeah. Like, I need a moment.

Kyle Wood: good.

Brandi Healy: my five line. Can't help but try to solve everyone's problems. I'm sorry. And You're welcome,

Gina Velez: Yeah.

I think that's gonna be the hardest part about being a therapist is as a coach right now, I'm, I'm very solution focused of like, how are we gonna fix this problem? But as a therapist, you're not, that's not always the goal. The end goal is not always to, you know, be giving people advice and be like, making these leaps to like, get to the goal.

It's like, okay, well let's, let's work through what is here and help you lead yourself to the goal if you want it. So I think

that's gonna be really hard for me to be like, but I, I can fix it for you. Let me just fix it.

Brandi Healy: I am like, that's stressing me out just thinking about it.

Gina Velez: I know, I know. Yeah. I mean, granted, there are different, you know, theories or different, um, modalities of therapy that I, I'll probably lean

into, but yeah, that's, that'll definitely

be the, the biggest challenge for me.

Brandi Healy: Well, a but.

Kyle Wood: like, have you, have you guys seen the TV

show shrinking?

It's like

Gina Velez: Oh, yes.

Yeah.

Kyle Wood: Jason Segal and, uh, Harrison Ford. Um, yeah. Yeah. So you could be like him where he just like loses it and starts giving client's

advice.

Gina Velez: Yeah. He's like, I am done.

Kyle Wood: it

works for some of them,

but

Gina Velez: Yeah. Right. It could work and then it could backfire for, for others.

I

Kyle Wood: Which the, the character, Harrison Ford's character is meant be based on Phil Stutz, who's also in there. Was that, uh, DACO done on him

on Netflix?

Gina Velez: Yes.

Kyle Wood: I don't know if you are familiar with his work as well. I really like his

stuff, the tools.

Gina Velez: Yeah, that's a powerful documentary. If, if Brandy, if you get a chance to see it or if your audience gets a chance to see it, it's on,

um, Netflix. I know she doesn't watch tv. She's, she's a busy being a super mom,

Brandi Healy: Yeah. Right.

Kyle Wood: another one. we've got two. We've got, have you watched Inters, Stelli

yet? Brandy?

Brandi Healy: I have it, it, it was on my flight the other day

and it was a red eye, and so

I slept. But I'm going,

I'm, I'm going somewhere in two weeks and it is on my flight watch list to trust and believe. I

Kyle Wood: know.

Gina Velez: trust and believe.

Kyle Wood: know

Brandi Healy: watch it,

Kyle Wood: the little, screen is gonna do it

justice, but

you know,

Brandi Healy: but that's like the only time that I like watch movies is on planes

Kyle Wood: Yeah, As long as you feel comfortable crying

in front of

like,

Brandi Healy: Oh, I don't care. Uh,

it won't be the first time or the last

Kyle Wood: But that's a good one. So you've got that to watch and then you need to like watch

this, uh, Stutz

Gina Velez: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Wood: well.

Brandi Healy: All right. On

Kyle Wood: I found his stuff really helpful. And again, kind of like. Some of it like lines up with, with um, human design as well, like some of the little practices he has, like, um, the grateful flow.

And there's actually one called Inner

Authority

Gina Velez: Oh, wow. Yeah.

Kyle Wood: in his book. Yeah, yeah. That's similar. You, you, you look at the, um, you look at your, what he calls your shadow. So it's like this part of yourself that like represents all things that you like, dislike about yourself and then you

embrace it,

Gina Velez: Hmm

Kyle Wood: and like work together to, to do it.

And actually my wife found that one really helpful for posting to her social media

and things like that. Um,

before she would do

that.

Gina Velez: That's so

Brandi Healy: you should have Zoe read no bad parts.

Kyle Wood: No bad parts. Yeah, actually I was thinking, um, like all the

stuff you

talked about,

Brandi Healy: Well, again, the show notes.

Kyle Wood: even like the

reiki stuff, I feel like she would really, um, resonate with doing that. 'cause she likes to even do This thing, like where she like chops the chords, so

she like imagines like

Brandi Healy: Hmm.

Kyle Wood: chords of everyone else. And I've tried doing it and I was like, this doesn't do anything for me. But, um, but it, it like works for

her like

every time

Brandi Healy: maybe it's a defined root.

Kyle Wood: it a couple of times. Yeah. I, yeah, it would be interested to know what that is or if it's, um, she's also like open, open head, so like, you know, other people's ideas. Um, yeah.

Anyway,

we could go down a

Brandi Healy: I know. I'm like, this is, this has become lengthy. We appreciate if you're still, if you're still listening, bless your heart. Gina, how do people,

how do people find you,

Gina Velez: Um, you can find me on Instagram or TikTok at the yo Gina, and then I have, uh, my

website, the yo gina.com and, um, yeah, sign up for my mailing list. I send it out like once a month right now, , when I, when I, um, am, I have more time. I try to do it every two weeks and,

yeah.

Brandi Healy: and what's your podcast called?

Gina Velez: Oh yes, my podcast. It's so, it's so brand new

that

Brandi Healy: know.

Gina Velez: I'm

Brandi Healy: Forget to talk about it.

Gina Velez: Yes. It's called the Lean Into Love podcast. And yeah, I think I'm gonna drop episode five tomorrow. So it's, it's still in its infancy, but it's been really, um, such a wonderful experience to share what it means to, you know, be a human in this world, uh, that we've been conditioned to, to fear and instead how to choose love and, and lean into that love.

So it's a

spiritual self-love podcast,

Brandi Healy: Uh, so good.

Kyle Wood: So I found that, I've just found that on Apple podcasts on

Spotify as well, so I imagine it's, it's wherever people want to. So if you're listening to this, you can literally go over now and have a look at, uh, Gina's podcast inside your app and check out more, uh, about

her and what she's about.

Gina Velez: Yep. Well, thank you so much for having me on you guys.

This was a lot of fun,

Brandi Healy: Thank you. It is

been our pleasure and. We can't wait to have you back and projected the shit out of us.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Gina Velez: And then have you

guys on my podcast too, .

Brandi Healy: Done and done.

Yeah,

people are like, great. Can't wait.

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