Well Designed: A Human Design Podcast

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Oh yeah, no countdown.

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Brandi Healy: You couldn't even
take yourself, you couldn't

even take yourself seriously.

Kyle Wood: No, it's true.

Uh, hello there.

Welcome back to Well Designed,
a podcast about using human

design in your life and business.

How are you, Brandy?

Brandi Healy: I'm good.

How about yourself?

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I'm good.

Uh,

Brandi Healy: get that, you get your
announcer voice out of your system?

Kyle Wood: did get my announcer
voice out of my system.

Alright, we can, that's
alright, I can edit that out.

Uh, so, today we're talking
about Contradictions.

I just had a brain fart on the word.

Um, so yeah, today I was like,
I know what we're talking about,

but I can't remember the word.

Uh, so yeah, so today we're talking about
contradictions inside of human design.

Which, inevitably, once you start
diving into your design and looking

at different parts of it, you'll see
how there's one part of it that says,

you know, you're A, and then there's
another part that says you're B, and

it might feel like those two things.

Mutually exclusive so that they
can't both happen at the same time.

So today, yeah, we just want to talk
about that By sharing a bit about how

the contradictions in our own designs
and um, and how we navigate that Yeah,

Brandi Healy: hear two things
that are conflicting and be like,

Oh, well this can't be helpful
because these things are opposite.

And this must not be true, but I
think when you really understand,

you know, that, um, not only in
human design, but in life sometimes

too, opposing things can both be

held at the same time.

Um, it can be really useful
to understand what's going on.

Um, and when to apply what, when, right.

Kyle Wood: yeah because You know, I
think One of the beneficial things

about human design is that, is
that aspect of like, permission.

Because when you, we come into human
design, you know, we come into life

with like all kinds of stories about
how things are and how things aren't.

And human design can be really helpful
because it, It can help us see where

maybe like we were telling a story about
ourselves and even design can kind of like

rewrite that story in a bit more of like
a positive light or help us like let go

of things that aren't serving us anymore
when we realize that that's not really

how our design is, is meant to work.

And in the same way, I think, yeah, this
idea would like, like the word is the

phrase, like false dichotomies, which
is like, you know, it's, it's this way.

Um, or this way and, and nothing
in between, like a very black

and white view of things.

So part of when you find these things
in your human design, it's another

opportunity to see, yeah, that there
is this like, there's this push

and natural push and pull in life.

Um, and things aren't always going to
be one way they're going to change.

And so usually when we come across
these, it's just showing us.

Yeah, how with life things can change and
um, and we're also changing constantly

and evolving even like day to day Okay,

Brandi Healy: my therapist prior
to learning about human design.

And so one of the tools that my
therapist used in our work together is

called dialectical behavioral therapy.

Um, and it was developed, I
know it's a mouthful, developed

by this, um, therapist.

Her name is Marsha Linehan and, um,
she's like actually like a Zen Buddhist

master and has this like, Fascinating
story of, you know, being a young woman,

I believe it was like in the, you know,
sixties and being, um, diagnosed with

like borderline personality disorder.

And like, it's this incredible story
of how she like came out of being

institutionalized, went on to get her
degree, her doctorate, went on to become

like this Zen Buddhist master and like
develop the system that's based around.

To opposing thought being true and
it's actually a type of behavioral

therapy that's used a lot in Like 12
step programs or addiction therapy

um, so Kind of when I came to human
design and started noticing some of

those You know opposing things It's
something that had already been worked

on Working with, so it felt really good.

So if anybody's interested in learning
more about that work, she has a fantastic

book, um, called, uh, living a life
worth leading a life worth living.

Um, and her name is Margo Linahan,
but really incredible story.

And I think, um, just so useful
for all of us to remember.

That those pieces of life, right?

Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah, that's really
interesting I think I might have to look

up to that because I feel like yeah, I was
definitely raised like You know, when one

thing is, is the right thing and then had
a complete crisis through my 20s of, um,

of realizing perhaps that wasn't the case.

And the more, you know, I developed
that empathy muscle, the more that

was sort of like cracked open.

Uh,

Brandi Healy: For sure.

Kyle Wood: when I'm like in my
worst states of mental health.

Is when I'm like really
fixated on one thing

Brandi Healy: Good, bad, black, white.

I agree.

Yeah, I can totally
relate to that for sure.

So should we just jump in?

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I feel like that's
a really good yeah way to start it

off because it's like Don't that I
guess the message we're trying to

share is like don't see This when
it comes up in your design when

something comes up in your design.

Don't see it as As a bad thing in fact see
it as as yeah, there's like another way of

permission of two things being Um, true.

So yeah, where, where, were you looking?

What in your, because

we're going to talk about our own designs.

Where were you looking in your design

first?

Brandi Healy: I mean, I think
that like, you know, when we

Always introduce human design.

We always start off, start
off with type and, you know,

Kyle, we're both projectors.

And so, you know, some, one of the
things that I noticed just about

being a projector, sometimes it can
be, have its own dichotomy in and of

itself without even looking at any
other part of the chart, because as

a projector, we're, we're meant to.

You know, guide and lead others.

But at the same time, we're not able
to do that unless there's an explicit

Kyle Wood: ha ha ha ha.

Brandi Healy: energetic invitation or,
you know, explicit verbal invitation that

is there so that we can ensure that our
guidance is appreciated and received and.

Sometimes that in and of itself is hard.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, absolutely.

Um, yeah, like, so for you, is
there an example that pops up?

Um,

Brandi Healy: Oh my gosh, I mean, it's
just like, this reoccurring theme,

I think every projector can relate
to this, of seeing how things can be

fixed or made better, and saying it,
and having it fall on full circle.

Ears and, or, you know, and it just like
not being well received and then just

becoming super pissy and bitter about it.

Like whether it's in the workplace Or you
know giving advice to a friend or a family

member where you're just like if you
just did this Your problem would go away

Kyle Wood: yeah, like, and especially
I imagine with your fifth line,

you know, really being able to see.

And that people do actually come to you
to have their problems fixed, but don't

actually want to fix their problems.

So you

end up

Brandi Healy: Oh my gosh

Kyle Wood: like a dumping
ground for people's problems.

Yep,

Brandi Healy: you know People project
that you can solve their problems But

sometimes it's like not the problem
that I want to fix and I'm like, you

actually have this whole other problem.

Let me help you solve that.

And they're like, no, but like,
it's like, you know, like a great

example of that would be, you know,
a single person talking about dating.

Right.

And they're like, you know,
I'm actually having a problem.

With this person that, you
know, I I'm dating and I'm like,

actually, that's not your problem.

Your real problem is like
your relationship to yourself.

Let's talk about that.

And they're like, no, how about
we focus on that person instead?

So that's, that's one that I,
I, Like I said, out of the gate

is like one of the easiest ones.

Is that something that
you can relate to as well?

Kyle Wood: yeah, absolutely.

Um, uh, again, when I was looking at my
design for things, uh, like I also have.

This channel, the 2551,
which is the channel of

initiation, but I'm a projector.

Brandi Healy: Yep.

Kyle Wood: So here I am here to
like initiate things and yet, which

is like a very manifestor thing
and yet, I'm a projector, so I'm

waiting for like the invitation.

So that's been interesting too.

And so to look at like, I guess
the wisdom that's come out of that.

It's like Inside those circles where
I have been invited in, that is where

I'm here to then initiate things.

Like Zoe said to me the other day, she's
like, You do realize that if it was up

to me, we wouldn't even have a social
life because you're the one who's always

organizing dinners and stuff like that.

And working that stuff
out with other people.

Uh, and it's true.

And, but it's inside of that circle
of people who there is already like

an invitation from, and when I, I
think, yeah, in the past, before I

discovered human design, I would try and.

Then be like, Oh, well that worked there.

So I can just go into this like other
group of people or this other situation

and bring that same thing with me.

And then would, yeah, get frustrated
and bitter when like that wouldn't work.

Um, so that's where we can see those,
yeah, two different parts of my design

that, that they actually do work together
while initially they seem to be saying

the opposite or different things.

Yeah,

Brandi Healy: you know, kind of jumping
to like having a fifth line, you know,

fifth line, like I said, that's like,
if you have a five in your profile,

you're meant to be a problem solver.

But oftentimes people project
what that problem is to solve.

And so then it's about using
my authority to then decide, is

that a problem I want to solve?

Is that something I'm excited to solve?

And, and leaning into that part instead
of just being like, Oh, I'm a projector.

It feels really good to be recognized that
I have the ability to solve this problem.

Um, and then if I'm not waiting for
clarity, really leveraging my authority,

I could end up saying yes to something
because it feels good as a projector.

But that in the end will feel
really draining to me because

it's not actually something.

you know, I feel excited to do.

Is there any, I feel like your whole
profile is like a contradiction in itself.

So like, let's just cut to the chase.

Let's just cut to the

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: like,

Kyle Wood: And this would be a good one
because, you know, there's, there is

quite a few people out there with the.

The two, four profile, like myself,
um, so we did the episode on profiles,

but the two is the hermit and the
four is, well, the opportunist,

I call it like the connector.

So one is very like inwards focus,
the hermit, which is all about like

bring your own, like spending time
with yourself and really letting

your like innate genius shine.

So it's, it is kind of like.

The mad scientist, in a way, like, sort
of working away in a cave by themselves.

then there's the other side of that,
which is the four, which is very, like,

outwards, which is very, like, around,
about being around people and your, um,

you know, friendship network and your
business network and things like that.

Um, And both of these have the ability
to, like, bring me a lot of energy,

and both of these have the ability
to drain me of a lot of energy.

the, it has, it was great to learn
this, because I feel like I spent

large chunks of time trying to just
be one or the other, and then not

understanding why that only worked
for a little bit, or didn't work.

And really, it's like this
thing of And it's like, it's not

forcing changing myself back, but
it's really allowing myself and

noticing which, which way I'm in.

And like last week was a hard week
because last week I was really hermiting.

I really wanted to be in that second line.

And, um, our eldest had
the week off school.

And.

You know, we had like, I had been
like plan stuff and we had like stuff

on, and I just, I just was not coping
like about half, half of the week.

I just was not coping at all.

Um, and then, and then, cause I had also
planned to take the week off work to line

up with her break, but those, Weeks that
I'm hermiting can be like fantastic weeks

to just like go in and work and just
like create things and get things done.

So yeah, so yeah, that
was a real struggle.

Whereas other weeks I've got planned
to work, but I'm really feeling my

fourth line and wanting to like connect
with people and be around people and,

um, have impromptu cups of coffee and
impromptu dinners and stuff like that.

Um, but then again, like I can reach
my point with that where suddenly

I start getting really exhausted.

I start again not coping, I'm unable
to, which for me is like I'm unable

to start making decisions basically.

Um,

and

Brandi Healy: You're just flooded.

Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah.

So it's like, and then that's usually a
sign of like needing to go to the other

way, but it's really tricky because, um,

Brandi Healy: It's a
very fine balance, right?

It's like, it's, you know,
the, the saying that the straw

that broke the camel's back.

It's like, it's literally like one piece
of straw that like flips over the table.

And I think there's a lot of
similarities in that 2 4 line as there

is for both of us being projectors
and having collaborative definitions.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I made
a note with that as well.

Hahaha.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, so it's like,

Kyle Wood: that profile, yeah.

Brandi Healy: you know, like as
projectors, like we value alone

time, we need time downtime to rest

and to be in our own energy and
like connect back to ourselves.

But having a collaborative
definition and remember like our

definition is how we process.

And it's a tool that when we're
stuck, if we can really lean into

our definition, it can really help.

Get things moving again.

And for people with a collaborative
definition, we can really find,

you know, um, shifts in our energy
when we connect, we found wholeness

through connection with others,

but at the same time we crave
rest and time to ourselves.

So it can be very tricky of
when Is too much connection, or

when is it too much alone time?

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah I think for any non sacral
with that, um, and even for sacral

beings with that, cause there's, I
know people who are quite sacral who

still need that alone time as well.

So yeah, so I think that that is the
big thing of it is it's a you know,

we like to slap the label of like
introverted and extroverted on people.

And I always liked the introverted label
more, but for myself, but now I don't know

how, I think initially that can be really
helpful when you identify as introverted

and you're like, I've been living in
this world of like extroverts and And

now I understand why I'm struggling.

But I think it is more nuanced than that.

And then, so then they created like
ambivert and it's like, well, what's the

point of having these things if there's
one that's both, but yeah, I really like

human designs way of like looking at
with definition and with your profiles

and stuff like that, because it, yeah,
it's, it's got to be more color to it.

Then again, like we're talking about like,
Oh, I'm introverted or I'm extroverted.

Cause for

Brandi Healy: had someone once, like, I
had someone once explain it to me as, you

know, an introvert is somebody that gets
drained by spending time with people.

An extrovert is somebody that needs energy

spending time with people.

And then I'm like, but what

Kyle Wood: ha

Brandi Healy: right?

Like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kyle Wood: people.

Yeah.

And then, and then it, so
for me, it just depends.

Like if I'm in my hermit phase,
being around people drains me.

If I'm in my connector phase, being
around people gives me energy.

The good thing is, at least with these,
is that I've noticed they like tend

to last like a few weeks each way.

So there's like enough time

to like recalibrate.

Uh, but yeah, then it's like really
hard when you, when you end up with

a week that, um, so I, so this is
still something I'm working out.

I need to work out how to
like, how do I still honor my

hermit in a really busy week?

Um, and then how do I honor like
my connector when, um, I've got a

week where, like, maybe I just need
to be spending a lot of time on

myself to, like, get things done.

Um, so, yeah.

Brandi Healy: Well, I think that even,
you know, and this is something, you

know, again, both of us have this
next one that I'm kind of looking

at that's similar around having
energy, but also needing rest.

So it's like you and I, again,
both have open sacral centers

or undefined sacral centers.

And then we both have motor
centers that are defined.

So, you know, motor centers are centers
that like we generate energy for.

And if you have them defined in your
chart, you know, you kind of have a.

Additional energy to burn.

So the major one that most people that
we have talked about in conversation

is that sacral center that, you know,
really defines whether you're a generator

manifesting generator or a non sacred
type projector manifestor or reflector.

However, for projectors and
manifestors, sometimes we have other

motor centers that are shaded in.

So, you know, I have the emotional
center and I have the, um, ego defined

and you have the ego defined as well.

And so it's like, you know, we
have that energy and that drive

in our chart, but also need rest.

Kyle Wood: Yep.

Yeah, whereas, like, if we had that
sake rule, it would probably be a

little bit clearer because basically
as long as We're staying on something

that we feel lit up and excited about.

We can just like, keep going and it's
healthy for us to like, keep going

all the way till we we flop into bed.

Um, yeah, this one's the, the thing
that came up for me around this was

that I also have another channel
off my ego center, which is like the

channel of marketing around this.

So it's like, in terms of running a
business, you know, I can put a lot

of energy into something and selling
things in a way that feels very natural,

but only if my, my heart's in it.

Otherwise it's like, nope.

And so most people will see
that channel of marketing.

They're like, Oh yes, I want that.

Cause you know, I struggle
so much to sell things.

Uh, but it's like, that's got these two
sides to it as well, where it doesn't

mean I'm just good at selling anything.

Like in fact, the opposite I'm, if
something feels like if my heart's

not in it, I have like a visceral.

Like, I can't sell it.

Like,

Brandi Healy: Like repulsion towards it?

Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like I used to work in,
um, in an, in an AV store.

So like selling TVs and things like
that and people would come in and in

general, they wanted to buy the biggest
TV possible for the cheapest price.

Like, especially when

Brandi Healy: Right.

Kyle Wood: events run, because
especially men, Wanted to have a

bigger tv than their mates had Um,
because their mates were coming over

and they can then show on this giant

Brandi Healy: What do
you think that's about?

Kyle Wood: Let's dive

Brandi Healy: Mine's bigger than yours.

Kyle Wood: so yeah, so

Brandi Healy: That's another,
a whole other episode.

Kyle Wood: And but and I I hate it like
it was it was an easy sale right because

they're coming in They're pretty much
they're gonna buy something And I just

struggled so much to sell them these like
really cheap low quality You TVs where,

like, to me, the picture looked terrible
and, um, and, you know, this, of course,

makes me a terrible salesman, right?

Because I'm not, I'm not
serving the customer.

But for me, it was like, look, buy

this

Brandi Healy: are, though,

Kyle Wood: bit

Brandi Healy: in a different way.

Like,

Kyle Wood: It will last you a lot longer.

So you won't need to be like upgrading
it so soon, uh, or replacing it.

Um, you know, it comes with a big
warranty, so you don't have to like,

you know, pay extra for the, and yeah.

So if, you know, if I had just
been out, I'd just be like, all

right, I'll just sell you whatever.

But because, um, my heart wasn't in it.

Yeah, I spent my whole time trying to
talk him into, like, a different TV.

Uh, and that was probably
really annoying for them.

Brandi Healy: you know what?

But you know what, I bet you, you
had a lower instances of returns.

Kyle Wood: true.

Yeah, I didn't get, yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah.

Brandi Healy: I'm like coming from
somebody that is lead salespeople.

I'm like, I'm like, you have low returns.

So you're better on the,
on the bottom line, sir.

That's

Kyle Wood: Yeah, so

That That uh, yeah, that's then
another like dichotomy in my design

Brandi Healy: The moral of the
story is buy a TV from Kyle.

He wants to hear you out.

Kyle Wood: no, there's too many there's
too many different things with tvs now

all these new technologies and letters and
things Um, was there anything else on like

on your chart that was like that stood out

Brandi Healy: You know, I think that one
of the things that I looked at was a lot

of the gates that I have defined in my.

In my brain, in my emotions, in
my head, you know, those are all

places where we have, we hold fears.

Right.

And so when I look at the fears
that those gates are, some of them

are pretty contradictory to parts
of my chart, parts of my design.

So, you know, like one of the
major ones that I looked at was.

Um, having a fear of authority, and so
this one's really funny because it's

like, you know, as projectors, like
you're kind of meant to naturally lean

into, um, positions of leadership.

And so, you know, like sometimes having
a fear of challenging authority can come

up when you're in a leadership role.

Kyle Wood: Mm

Brandi Healy: or like, you know, you
have to challenge authority sometimes,

like when you're in a leadership role,
when you're guiding others, you're

responsible for a group of other people.

And so at times it leads you having
to butt up against something.

And, you know, when that shows up, it's
like, I'm meant to, like, guide people

forward and not let a fear of doing what's
best for them by challenging like a system

or a process that's already in place.

And so that is 1 that I have found
many times in my career to, like,

know what the right course of
action is, but to have that fear of.

That challenge of

Kyle Wood: Mm

Brandi Healy: or a process and it's
reminding myself, like, that's not the

place I meant to make my decision from.

I meant to use my authority and wait
to wait for that emotional clarity

to come to choose to move forward.

So, usually it's like, when that
fear is coming up, it's like.

You're not the boss of me.

Thanks.

Thanks for showing up, but you're, you
know, you're not here to be in charge.

Um, so that was one.

And then, you know, another
gate that I have in my chart

actually carry this whole channel.

So like gate 17 is, solutions and what
can come with that is like a fear that

like my opinions will be challenged and
it's like I meant to share my opinions,

I meant to share my insights or like a
fear that I don't like have the facts

to like back my shit up and One of
the parts of, like, the other number

I have in my profile is a three, and
being a three, you're meant to be an

experience, an experimenter, you're meant
to learn by doing, you're meant to, your

process, our process is trial and error.

And so, it's like reminding myself
that, like, the fact that I need

to back myself up is my experience.

Kyle Wood: Mm hmm.

Yeah.

What the um, What's that saying?

You know, the cave you fear to
enter holds the treasure you seek?

So that's, that's a good
one for, um, for you.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, that
is a good one for me.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, that's tough

Brandi Healy: And yeah, the only, or
the only way out is through, right?

Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah, the fear
gate, these, yeah, gates around your

fears, they can be very, like, noisy.

So, um, that's, and when I have the
mindfulness to notice it, It's like,

oh, the noise when it's, when my
mind is being very noisy, that's a

sign not to listen to it because it
is probably just like fear speaking.

Brandi Healy: Yeah.

Like, and you know,
and those are just two.

I have quite a few.

How about you?

What are some other things
that like, you've noticed?

Kyle Wood: I thought about the, um,
the variables, which we haven't really

talked about, but like on your chart,
there's, um, arrows near your head.

There's two on the left
and two on the right.

Uh, and then in generally speaking,
if your arrows are mostly pointing

right, then you're sort of a bit more
go with the flow type personally,

and that's how you operate best.

But if your arrows are kind of
mostly pointing left, then a bit more

rigidity and like structure is helpful.

But then, for me, so for some people,
so for people where they're all or most

of them are pointing one way, then,
you know, you're as good as sweet.

But for a lot of us, we've got
half pointing one way and half,

half, are pointing the other way.

Brandi Healy: Oh yeah.

Kyle Wood: And it's like,
uh, how does this work?

So, like, for me, like, the two on the,
on the left are pointing left and the

two on the right are pointing right.

Um, So that's been interesting one too,
to then like dive into each of those

and yeah, find those nuances of like,
okay, so in these areas, it's helpful

for me to have this structure and in
these areas it's helpful for me to

have a bit more like go with the flow.

Brandi Healy: flow.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Brandi Healy: Yeah.

And, and, you know, that's something that
you and I have in common in terms of like,

for example, like our bottom left arrow

is pointing left.

And that one typically goes
towards like movement of your body.

And so when it's like pointing left,
like you mentioned, We like a little bit

more structure in our movement, but at
the same time, we're both projectors,

and we both have open root centers.

So it's like, value things that
are slow, or you know, like rest

and ease, and you know, low stress, but
it's like, we also like, need to move

Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, the um, and especially having
like, because then I've got the splenic

as well, and so I have even had like,
people say, and you know, that's

the thing when you're not looking at
someone's specific chart, you can end

up giving sort of these general advice
that, ah, you know, you should just

move your body when you feel like, when
you get the intuitive hit to do so.

And it's like, no, I will tell you how
many times I'll move my body, then zero,

I will lay on the couch and eat chips.

Uh,

Brandi Healy: Yes.

Kyle Wood: so yeah, so I need to have
like a workout program that I'm working

through, but I am much better these
days at modifying that workout to meet

my needs of the day, which I think, so

there's that nuance.

Um,

Brandi Healy: the way that I kind
of manage that for myself is like,

I know that I need to move, but what
that movement looks like might differ.

And it's like, as long as I do something.

So sometimes that might be like something,
like something that's like really strength

based and like crazy sweaty, but like.

Most of the time, it's something, like,
way more gentle and, like, relaxing and,

like, nourishing to my nervous system.

And I have found that to be far more
sustainable, not only on my body,

but, like, emotionally as well.

Um, and I think it also has just,
like, made me appreciate that

like movement doesn't always
have to be like no pain, no gain.

Kyle Wood: yeah.

Oh, yeah, totally.

Yeah, that's, that's uh, I hate when
I see, like, slogans like that on,

like, gym walls and stuff like that.

It's the reason I, like, can't be on
Instagram anymore because I follow too

many, like, fitness people and Yeah.

Brandi Healy: what the
mute button was for.

Kyle Wood: That's what the
delete app button is for.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, I know.

Kyle Wood: Uh, so, um, you know,
I mean, this is, I hadn't intended

to mention this, but this is
the to toot our own horns a bit.

Like this is where if you're
going through this human design

stuff, like having a proper rating
can be really helpful because.

Like, that's what Brandy and I are
trained to do, to look at your chart

as a whole, and extract, you know,
the information that's like, helpful

for you out of that, um, versus, yeah,
you absolutely can do it and learn it

yourself, um, but you might just find that
you're hitting these bits where you're

like, well, but wait, that doesn't make
sense because these bits don't work.

Brandi Healy: Yeah.

And it's so useful when you're able to
have a conversation with somebody and not

only just discuss how it shows up on your
chart and say, Oh, these are how these

two, these nuanced pieces work together.

It's actually about.

What does your life look like?

And let's talk about how that shows
up in your life, which I think is

like, that's really the unlock.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah.

Brandi Healy: Sure.

It's how it shows up in your
chart, but like more important,

like, what does it look like when
I'm walking around in the world?

Every day.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, absolutely,
yeah, being able to

Brandi Healy: Cause those conversations
are easier to have, right?

When we're sitting here looking
at a camera on our computer and

like, we have to take those lessons
out into like the rest of our day

Kyle Wood: mm hmm, yes, alright, well,
we might wrap it up there, um, and if you

would like to book a reading with Brandy
or I, I'll include um, notes, uh, in the

show notes, so you can just expand that
below on, on how you can get in touch with

one of us, or both of us, um, as we Have
talked about doing dual readings as well.

So that'd be that'd be fun All
right anything else to add brandy

Brandi Healy: now, but I'm really excited
to continue having more conversations,

you know, in the future about kind of
how we're navigating our own designs

and like how it shows up in our life.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I think yeah, we were
talking about that just before the podcast

before we hit record that that would be a
fun thing to do and I think Yeah, I always

find that helpful like It's like okay.

Well, great.

You give me all this information.

That's good.

But how are you actually?

Implementing it it's always
like really helpful Cool.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, good stuff.

All right.

Well, we'll talk soon.

Kyle Wood: everyone.