Well Designed: A Human Design Podcast

Kyle Wood: All right.

Welcome back to well designed.

My name is Kyle Wood and with
me is my co host Brandy Healy.

Hi Brandy.

Brandi Healy: Hi Kyle.

Good to see you.

Kyle Wood: You too.

Today we have an amazing guest.

I'm going to talk her up so high and maybe
this is a little bit too high for her.

As we were just saying just before
recording this, because she's in

the third phase of her sixth line.

So she naturally brings a lot of
wisdom to everything she does.

Um, she is a mental projector, uses her
way of collecting thoughts into wonderful

little soundbites, um, of wisdom.

Um, but, uh, she's also uses these skills
to really help people who are going

through change, sometimes change brought
on in their life through, uh, I guess some

terrible things happening or, or just,
um, bringing attention to that any change

in life comes with grief, um, and helps
people navigate their way through that.

And now, I believe you're doing that.

She was doing that before she found
human design, but now she's as human

designer as well to help people
navigate their way through that.

So that's what we're
here to talk about today.

Uh, welcome Umar to the show.

Uma Girish: Oh, thank you for
that very kind introduction, Kyle.

I'm so happy to be here
with you and Brandy.

Brandi Healy: We are
just like over the moon.

Like Kyle and I were
just chatting before we.

You know, got going about how,
it's like having a celebrity.

Oh

Uma Girish: my goodness.

I now thought of myself as a celebrity.

Kyle Wood: Don't put too
much pressure on her.

Are you feeling recognized?

I am, yes.

Brandi Healy: Thank you.

You know, but in all seriousness, you
know, Uma was just speaking to you how

she feels like she's like projected on
and it's like, we just can't help it.

You just have this, you bring this
grounded presence to the spaces

that you're a part of and it
just feels so good to be around.

And so, you know, I think that for
Kyle and I, we, we just, we had

both seen in our own experience,
as you have shared that a lot of

people that carry that 6 line.

Um, and so, you know, I think that
for Kyle and I, we, we just, we had

both seen in our own experience,
as you have shared that a lot of

people that carry that 6 line.

really struggle with those first two
phases and you have found yourself being

called to working with people to navigate.

What that looks like.

So, you know, I'm just
like fascinated by this.

As I mentioned before, I have
everybody in my house is a four, six.

And so I'm like, you know, how do I
support my partner as he enters into

his third phase of his six line?

He's turning 48 in a couple of weeks here.

So we're heading into that transition and
I have a 10 year old and a 14 year old.

So it's like, you know, we're in
that first phase for a while here.

So, you know, I have all these people in
my circle and it's, I would love to hear.

You know, what you're doing with your
clients to support them and you know how

some of us that either carry this or love
people that carry this can support them.

Uma Girish: Thank you for
that great question, Healy.

Um, the Healy household I can tell
is moving through interesting times.

Unknown: It is, it is.

Uma Girish: So, for those who don't know
or aren't very clear, the sixth line

moves through three distinct life phases.

The first phase lasts from zero
to about thirty two, thirty

three is what I would say.

Phase two goes from thirty two, thirty
three to fifty, fifty two, and then

fifty two and beyond is phase three.

In the first phase, we usually
behave like the third lines.

We are bumping into things,
we are making mistakes, we are

failing, we are experimenting.

There's a lot of scientist energy
in the first 30 to 32 years.

But there's also a lot of chaos.

I think the sixth line came into this
incarnation with the idea of bumping

into things and making mistakes so
that they would learn from life.

Their soul actually chose
this particular path.

profile, I believe, so that we
can be ready for what's to come.

So the first 30 years feel terrible,
very chaotic, there's no respite,

but In looking back, because I'm able
to reflect on that being at stage

three, those 30 years were very,
very essential for my soul's growth

and for my blossoming in the world.

So stage two is when human
design says we go on the roof.

What this really means is that whereas
phase one is we look at phase one

and go, why is life happening to me?

Why are terrible things happening to me?

Phase two is about shifting into,
Oh, life is happening for me.

That essentially is the shift because
we begin to distance ourselves

a little bit, which is necessary
for reflection and contemplation.

And on the roof, we are taking a
more objective perspective of life.

Of why what happened, happened, how am
I meant to reframe my life experiences?

What am I meant to learn
from what happened?

And that's when the perspective
of, oh, this happened for me.

So I could learn this particular
lesson and gain this wisdom,

which is going to serve me when
I come off the roof, which is.

Age is 52 and beyond.

So 52 and beyond, you're once again pulled
back into the intensity of life on earth,

but you are not alone in your search.

With a more calm,
grounded, wise perspective.

Kyle Wood: So, what were those
transitions like for you?

Do you remember, like, both
of them pretty clearly?

Or, like, now, obviously, you've found
Because you found human design after

you'd reached the third phase, correct?

Unknown: That's right.

Yeah.

Kyle Wood: So, then, like, looking
back Can you spot those transition

phases and what was happening?

Uma Girish: Yes.

The first 30 years I dealt with,
uh, my father's alcoholism.

There was a lot of turbulence and
unpredictability in my home life.

I constantly asked the question, why
me, which is the most disempowering

question, but I asked that a lot
because I didn't know any better.

Um, I got married when I was 26.

Didn't date, because that was 1990s.

1980s, 1990s, India.

We didn't date.

Um, India is the country of
arranged marriages, as you know.

So got married at 26,
became a mother at 29.

And then when my daughter was eight
months old, my father suffered a

road accident and was diagnosed
with a terrible brain injury.

So that was my Saturn return.

So talk about 30, 31 being,
you know, terribly traumatic.

So that's what happened for me.

And the second phase of life was me
trying to be a mother, So learning all

the lessons of slowing down, I was very
clear that I wanted to be a stay home mom.

From the time I was young, almost.

So when my husband and I were
engaged, I said to him, when we have

a child, I want to be a stay home mom.

And back then we didn't
have online businesses.

I don't think I even
had a computer at home.

Unknown: Yeah.

Uma Girish: So I was just,
uh, in this phase of slowness.

Being present to my daughter and
really enjoying my time with her.

It's, it was much easier to raise a child
in India because we have the village.

We had extended family, um, and that
was really helpful because We were also

dealing with dad's injury, brain injury.

The second phase had another dramatic
twist and turn for me because when I was

44, my husband, my teenage daughter, and
I moved to the United States from India.

We relocated and I think about six
weeks after we moved, we were still

buying furniture for our home and
trying to settle in when we received

word that my mother had been diagnosed
with stage four breast cancer.

So she passed away eight
months after her diagnosis.

My father died 18 months after her.

So 44 and 45 in bang in the middle of
my second stage was, uh, uh, a calamity.

But my mother's death broke me wide open.

That was my awakening.

That was when I began to ask
the questions, why am I here?

What's the purpose of my life?

Who am I?

And that was my opening
really into phase three.

So as I moved into my 50th birthday and
beyond, I began to mature into questions

of purpose, the nature of consciousness.

Why are we here?

What's this journey all about?

And coming off the roof was It's
such a wonderful way of being able

to share what I had lived through.

So I know now that everything that
I went through in the first two

stages primed me for who I am today.

Brandi Healy: So beautiful.

Thank you for sharing so
vulnerably your story and what

those transitions have been.

Looked like for you and I think you
know at first when you when you first

started talking I was like, I don't
really see like a lot of tumultuous

things like with my kids And then as
I sat here and started thinking of

it, I was like actually yes, I do.

I can see it might not always be in
like dramatic fashions, but there are

certain like it is to that person and
In that person's life when I think

of like my 10 year old who Has really
struggled with reading for example,

and it's like As an adult it's like oh
like that's just something that happens

through children but it's like when
I rewind the tape and it's like me at

10 years old or six years old when I
first started reading and Having this

beat like Yeah, that would probably be
pretty rocky and pretty traumatic for me.

And so thank you for shedding light
on that to me as a parent because

it gives me a different lens to view
the experience of my children and

what that might be like for them.

Uma Girish: Right.

And every person has their
own soul curriculum, right?

We come into this incarnation
with our own, you know, AP

courses, as they say in the U.

S.

and you know, challenges
specifically tailored, um, for your

child that's probably struggling
with reading for somebody else.

It could be, it could be a love
relationship early in their teenage years.

So there are many ways in which the first
30 years of life for a sixth line can

cause this, this tumult and confusion.

Brandi Healy: And so what are some of the
things that you work with clients that are

in that first phase of their sixth line?

You know, what are, you know, what are
some of the, you know, I guess, sticking

points that they're going through and
what are, what is some guidance that you

have for people that are in that phase?

Uma Girish: The biggest sticky point is,
uh, is People trying to figure things out

using the mind and trying to answer all,
all of life's questions using the mind.

So that's where we typically begin.

Kyle Wood: I do that a lot.

Brandi Healy: Kyle is
like raising his hand, me.

Unknown: Well,

Uma Girish: you're not alone, Kyle.

Most of my clients, that's
their biggest sticking point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Uma Girish: And so what they're doing is
they're looking for certainty and safety.

From their ego, their personality.

And I find myself, because I come
with a deeply spiritual orientation

to this work, I find myself often
introducing to, introducing them to

ideas of what's sacred in their life.

How they are so much more than their
mind, how they need to create distance

between them and their mind and begin
to listen to the whispers of their soul.

Because there is a wise self that lives
in each one of us that knows our sense

of direction, that knows what we're
here to do, that has all the resources.

we need, right?

It's like that acorn.

If the acorn came here and
said, Oh my God, how am I going

to find the best fertilizer?

Am I even sure I'll grow
like the other oak trees?

What happens if I'm cut before my prime?

The, the acorn doesn't do that.

The acorn simply surrenders and
trusts that everything it needs to

become an oak tree is within it.

And that's sort of my journey in
a nutshell, uh, get trying to get

my clients to go from where they
are to where they want to be.

And it's not like flipping
a light switch, right?

Because well into our 20s and 30s, we've
used our minds to get where we are.

And I'm hoping human design
finds, um, encourages us.

And I'm hoping human Young people who
come to it to find a different way

early in life so that they live more in
alignment with who they came here to be.

But for people who've spent most of
their twenties and their thirties

listening to their mind, trusting
their mind, believing what their mind

is saying, being convinced by their
mind, being scolded by their mind, all

of that, it's a hard shift to make.

And so we spend a lot of time
with Embodiment practices.

How do you drop from
your mind into your body?

How do you live more in the present?

How do you listen to your mind?

Notice what it's saying, but learn
to disengage from the dialogue.

So these are all practices that
are very useful, especially

when you introduce human design.

And you introduced them to the
truth of their inner guidance,

which human design calls inner
authority, whether it is splenic or

self projected or emotional or gut.

It just gives them that extra layer
of, okay, my biggest challenge is

to disengage from my chatty mind,
and that's where I need to begin.

So that's really a lot of the work.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, that's been huge for me.

And it's such a, an area
I know I need to work on.

And now I reflect, I have been on four
months into meditating every day, which

is the longest I've gone in a long time.

And every time I've tried to start
a meditation practice over like

the last 10 years, it's always
been like very like forced, like

this is something I need to do.

And I've still gotten benefits out of it.

But then as soon as something's
come up, it's the practice

has fallen off the rails.

Um, and lately, yeah, for whatever reason,
it felt very natural getting into it.

Um, and, uh, this time I've been trying
to focus on like finding teachers and

courses and things like that to sort of
like keep me going and keep me learning.

Um, so I'm not just like
stuck doing it by myself

and that did tie back to what you
were going to say as well in that, um,

so yeah, so for me, I have the
defined, uh, Head and mind.

Umu, which three centers of the
mental projector do you have defined?

So your throat and your mind.

Ajna

Uma Girish: and throat.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Mind and throat.

I thought so.

Yeah.

So I got those top two and then,
and then there's, they're not

connected to anything else.

So, um, I just get, I just
get really stuck up there.

So, so, but I am curious about like, what
are some of, because even speaking to you,

every time we talk to you, you're very
like present with, I feel like you're very

present with us, whether you're teaching
or whether you're just in conversation.

Um, and I think that's one of the
reasons we, I'm speaking on behalf

of Brandy, we enjoy talking to you
because I think probably as projectors

you make us feel very like, seen.

What, what are some practices
that you, that you found

really good for helping you?

Because I'm assuming it's not just, I
think we meet people like you and we're

like, Oh, that's just how they are.

But I, I'm assuming that behind the
scenes, there is some practices you do to

like cultivate that, that, um, that state.

Uma Girish: I've been
meditating for 15 years now.

I started right after my mother died
because my mind was so loud and my

heart was so heavy that I needed
to find some place to go to that.

would offer me a sense of quiet.

Now, that doesn't mean I did meditate,
meditation with any kind of regularity.

I didn't even think I was doing it right.

But I very quickly learned and began
to tell myself this is not about

becoming good at one more thing.

There's no doing this right.

There's just showing up for
it, much like I was doing for

my grief experience, right?

I never knew when I would cry,
what would make me cry, how I'd

wake up in the morning and feel.

What if I could bring the
same attitude to meditation?

I'm just going to show up and sit
here for 15 minutes or 20 minutes

and whatever happens, happens.

and I stopped judging it.

And slowly I began to find that
something was shifting inside of me.

My mind would be really chatty,
and then there would be a

couple of moments of pause.

Then it would get, it would get chatty
again, but then there was a break.

And then gradually the
breaks became longer.

My mind became less chatty.

It began to become quiet.

And I began to feel the
benefits of meditation.

I felt calmer.

My nervous system felt so good.

So that's a practice
that I absolutely love.

I wouldn't give it up for anything.

The second practice is I have a very
deep sense of connection with the divine.

Kyle Wood: Sorry, I just have
one question about the practice.

Do you, and this is purely for my own,
do you have, Uh, a ritual around that,

or do you just sit down somewhere and
just, just go, or do you sort of like

get yourself in the zone a bit before you
start or what does it look like for you?

Uma Girish: So the first thing
I do, I light a candle and then

I put on my headphones, take
three deep breaths and that's it.

That's my little ritual.

I love, love, love simplicity
in everything I do.

That's the second practice that I,
I feel really keeps me grounded.

I avoid complexity.

I don't like complicated recipes.

I don't like complicated
business strategies.

I don't like teaching
in a complicated way.

I don't like anything
technology that's complicated.

I do everything I can
to make my life simple.

I feel like a lot of

Brandi Healy: us, I feel like a
lot of us are in the opposite.

It's like, how can we make
things harder on ourselves?

How can we put, like, put more things on
our plate, put more obstacles in our way?

Kyle Wood: I think especially
when something's not working, we

think, oh, we, we need to come,
we need to make it, we need more

to like, add more to the process.

Yeah.

Brandi Healy: And it's like,
you've done like the absolute

reverse where you've just like
stripped it down to its essentials.

Yeah.

Uma Girish: That's it.

Brandi Healy: And I think that that
takes it might take it back to, you

know, you started mentioning how
you're so deeply rooted to the divine.

Uma Girish: Yes, because I was
very angry when my mother died.

I prayed so hard when she was diagnosed.

I kind of thought God would save her,
you know, and when that didn't happen, I

turned away and said, I don't believe you.

You didn't give me what I wanted.

The same thing had happened
when my dad was drinking.

So again, I believed there was a
mighty power that would save him and

it didn't happen until it happened.

But I was very conflicted
about my, my views around God.

And is this right?

Am I doing the right thing?

Is there a God, is a God
even listening to me?

But after my mother died, because
I was in my mid forties, I began

to study, I began to understand
what is this thing called God?

What is spirituality?

What is my connection with it?

What is my relationship with it?

And I began to understand
that there's nothing personal.

It's not like God took my mother's
life or made my father drink or

kill somebody in a road accident.

came to understand my own spiritual
roots and heritage, which landed me in

understanding the doctrine of karma.

And everything began to
make sense after that.

that we come here with, with, like I said,
a soul curriculum, our soul chooses our

parents, it chooses the circumstances,
the country where we are born, the schools

we go to, what we learn, what we are
predisposed to, our natural inclinations,

all of that is perfectly set up for
the purpose we are meant to deliver.

And when I began to look at it through
that lens, I found it very comforting.

Now, I'm not saying anyone has
to embrace my way of doing it.

This is what I found comforting.

This is what gives me peace.

And I often say to my clients, if
something is comforting, embrace it.

Don't go to your mind and
say, but is this right?

Does, is this even right the
way I'm thinking about it?

I had a client just last week and
she said, I find this particular

ritual comforting, but I find myself
going to my mind and asking the

question, does this make sense?

Am I doing it right?

Is it necessary for me to do it?

And I said, all you have to
do is answer one question.

Do I find it comforting?

And if your answer is yes, keep doing it.

So that, that really, um, began
my journey with the divine.

And so prayer and meditation
have become very, very important

aspects of my daily life.

I also consciously move very slowly.

I talk slow.

I act slow.

I don't rush into anything.

I believe I have enough time
for everything I need to do.

So I'm not rushing into things.

I'm not overscheduling.

You'll only find Three to four
items on my to do list in a day.

And if I get to only two of
the four, that's good enough.

That's what was meant to happen.

Brandi Healy: I just love that you
embrace like this radical idea of.

You know, minimal stripping down processes
to make them simple, not overcomplicating

my life with too many obligations and, you
know, just holding really true to trusting

yourself to know what's right for you.

And when you said the words like,
I have the time, enough time to

do the things that I want to do.

I'm just like, I could
like feel that in my body.

I'm like, wow, what is
like, what is that like?

Because I, our world is so predisposed
and wired to feel rushed and to

feel like we don't have enough time.

And no matter what we have on
our list, that it isn't enough.

Unknown: And

Brandi Healy: so I think like, you know,
looking at your chart and knowing that

you have, you know, just two defined
centers, there's so much openness on in

your chart and it seems like you've really
embodied, you know, that open sacral

center or undefined sacral undefined
route of slowing down, not rushing.

Nurturing yourself and you know, you
have your spleen is wide open and

it's like letting go of that fear
or other people's fear of like, I

don't have to rush and be afraid.

I don't have enough time.

Like, I can trust that I do and it
seems like it's all really connected

to your spirituality and to your faith.

Uma Girish: Yeah, I truly believe that if
I drop dead tomorrow, I would die happy.

Everything I've achieved here is enough.

I'm not I don't believe there's more
to do and more to do and more to do.

If there is more to do, I will be here.

But if I'm not here, then
that's all I was meant to do.

And that just lets me
know I don't need to rush.

I don't need to hurry.

My life is moving at its
natural pace and rhythm, which

is suited to where I'm going.

It doesn't have to look
like anybody else's journey.

I don't need anybody else's approval
or permission to live this life.

I just live it on my terms.

Brandi Healy: And how has your own
personal experience influenced and,

you know, like informed how you work
with your clients to support them?

Uma Girish: Yes.

Such a good question.

We were talking about this
in my 6 2 group just today.

I was speaking about the importance
of the projector aura, how our aura

is so intentional in protecting us.

from the people that are not correct
for us to the people we are meant for.

That's why we have a deeply penetrating
focused aura because we are meant

to see deeply into the other.

And when we can conserve our energy,
not talk too much, not advise and

suggest and offer our wisdom where it's
not expected, not invited in, then we

have all the energy to deeply see into
the people that are correct for us.

So when I'm sitting with a
client, I listen very deeply.

It's one of my favorite practices.

I believe that the world talks too much.

Nobody is listening to anybody else.

And if I tell you about a vacation
I went on to Hawaii, you're going

to tell me, Oh, you know what?

Last week I went to this
place and this is what we did.

But for me, a conversation should
go, this is how I'd like it to go.

If I tell you I went to Hawaii and we had
such a great time, then the next question

ought to be, in my view, well, tell me the
three most fun things you did in Hawaii.

Right?

That's you listening to me
and pulling out my experience.

Unfortunately, I find that
in today's world, everyone

wants to be seen and heard.

It's such a longing.

It's such a need that people aren't
really listening to each other.

So I love to bring the gift of
listening to my clients, especially

because many of them are in deep grief.

And when it comes to
grief, there are no words.

There's only loving silence.

There's just a deep acceptance of
where the other is and the willingness

to meet them where they are.

So silence speaks louder than
words when it comes to grief.

And if we don't know how to listen
to the other, we can very quickly

make it about our own agenda.

So I listen, I ask questions.

To pull the other person's wisdom out
because everyone knows more than they

think they know and the best way to
get them in touch With their own inner

wisdom is by asking a question that
will help them self reflect Instead

of asking you what should I be doing

Kyle Wood: and beginning to trust their
own Sense of wisdom there as we would say

in human design their own authority It's,
it's funny, so I'm going to share this

from a meta perspective because it's funny
as you're sharing that I'm like, I am

totally guilty of that and then Now, I'm
going to share my own experience instead

of asking you a question about that.

You're like, that's a

Brandi Healy: great point, Uma.

Let

Kyle Wood: me just tell
me about how I feel.

But I know exactly how you feel.

And I just would say this has resonated
because I feel like, and maybe, Um, Um, I

guess this is available to everyone, but
I think especially as projectors, this

is a big part of our gift, with three
projectors here, that I can totally end up

in that talk, talk, talk conversation, and
especially if I'm not having conversations

with other people who are good listeners.

You just fall into that pattern
of those conversations where it's

like, I'm just thinking of the next
thing to say, and then I'll just

say it and sort of back and forth.

Whereas I know there has been other
times in my life where maybe it has

been more, I've had more space to
reflect and then I can hold that space

for other people a lot, uh, better.

Um, yeah, I just wanted
to share that on that.

Uma Girish: No, that's
beautiful, uh, Kyle.

I also want to say that as projectors,
we have the ability to know,

to sense, we know the solution.

We know what will fix the problem.

We know what will help
this person course correct.

And so we jump in with all
the words we have, right?

Kyle Wood: Yes.

I'm laughing.

Brandi Healy: We're like,
all of us were like guilty.

Yes.

So

Kyle Wood: the skill then Uma is.

If I'm correct is like that, noticing
that urge and not, I guess using, using

that as a trigger to be like, oh, how can
I ask a question here when I notice that

urge to like tell this person how to fix
their problem or make it about myself?

Is that, am I, am I on the right track?

There

Uma Girish: you are.

In fact, just asking the question, why am
I feeling like I wanna say something here?

Just asking yourself, why
do I want to speak now?

We'll give you so much clarity,
you know, because I want to impress

the other person with my opinion
because I want to fill the silence.

I feel kind of awkward not saying anything
because I find this point of view so

interesting and I have so much to say
that I want to fill the space with words.

Anytime you ask yourself a question, why,
it gives you so much perspective on why

you're doing what you're doing, or it
could be I want to feel seen, I want to

feel heard, I don't want to be dumb, like
not have a point of view about anything.

So many motivations as to why
we speak, why we talk so much.

Brandi Healy: Well, I love
that you bring up silence.

Because I think it's definitely an
underutilized tool, and it's something

most of us are so uncomfortable with.

Like, and we just like, don't know
how to behave when it's quiet.

Unknown: Yes.

And

Brandi Healy: so, you know, like, we
just like, don't know how to act, so

we feel like we need to hold, like,
say something to fill the space.

And like, I feel like, you know,
for myself personally, like that's

when the stuff doesn't land.

And so I'm really curious, like, how did,
how did you become such a good listener?

Uma Girish: Well, you know, when
I was young, I was a talker too.

I was a big talker with a defined
mind and a defined throat.

I had a lot to say.

I, was called an extrovert.

But when someone started sharing about
their personal problems, something in me

would just want to lean in and listen.

Something in me knew that holding space
for that person instead of jumping in with

my own agenda to correct or fix or heal or
whatever was the most useful thing to do.

And as I've come into human design
and, and begun my experimentation,

it's now nearly seven years.

I've tried more to lean into say
less, listen more, say less, listen

more, and it has served me so well.

So it is a practice.

It is like you said, Kyle, noticing
when the urge to speak comes up

and you're literally your throat is
filling up with words and they're

waiting to jump out of your mouth.

It's like noticing and swallowing
them and saying, can I lean into the

discomfort of not saying anything now?

Can I lean into the discomfort of silence?

And it's like working a muscle.

You just get better and
better and better at it.

Kyle Wood: It's good brandy, isn't it?

It's so good.

I'm like, we're

Brandi Healy: terrible podcast hosts.

Kyle Wood: It's just like
she said, it's a muscle.

Right, right,

Brandi Healy: right.

Well, it's something that we will
collectively and individually work on,

but I think it's something that Bye bye.

I don't necessarily, like, I know I've
observed it, but I, I appreciate the

way that you framed it up so eloquently.

And do you find that now that you are
speaking less, that when you do speak,

your words are landing more frequently?

Uma Girish: Yes, that's a lovely
question and I was going to speak to

that, but I'm glad you asked me anyway.

Um, the other thing that happens when
you start speaking less and listening

more is you learn very quickly who your
friends are and where the invitations are.

So if people are constantly talking
at you and not inviting in a response

from you, they're not even seeing you.

You don't exist, and as a projector,
not being seen, not being recognized

or invited is a clear indication that
your wisdom is not required there.

Because it doesn't matter if
we are having a conversation

about trees or parks or movies.

We always have a wise
perspective to add, right?

We always go for the deep.

And so when people are talking around you
and at you and not seeking your input, it

becomes very clear that the conversation
is one sided and that is important.

lets me know, Oh, I don't really enjoy
being with this group of people anymore

because there's nothing for me to do here.

There's nothing for me
to, to contribute to.

Uh, my perspective is not needed.

So I may as well exit gracefully.

And then the people who really ask
you, what do you think about this?

I really want to know your perspective.

I feel very expanded and I
have permission to speak.

I have permission to share and I
really find that those invitations

are the ones that are correct for me.

So I don't meet a lot
of people these days.

I love living in my own aura
simply because I just feel

good with seven open centers.

A lot of the world doesn't
feel very good these days.

I'm sorry to say that,
but that's the truth.

People are living in so much fear.

People are living in confusion, in
uncertainty, and a lot of people don't

have the tools to, to process these
feelings or process these ways of being.

And so I don't want to be
the vacuum cleaner that sucks

up all that debris, right?

I like living in my own energy.

I have, my best friends are people I
can count on the fingers of one hand.

And that's more than enough.

That's way more nourishing
than anything else.

But I, I just have retreated more
and more into the second line.

Yeah.

Brandi Healy: And I think that like, you
know, in conversations that Kyle, you and

I have had with other guests that have a
lot of openness in their chart, whether

they're reflectors or whether they're,
you know, a generator with only two

centers to find, you know, what we find
that very similarly, you know, they can

become very flooded in certain situations.

And what advice do you have
for people that maybe have, you

know, six or seven open centers
or for the reflectors out there?

Uma Girish: I would say it's very
important for people with so many

open or undefined centers to have
emptying practices, emptying out

practices, whether that's stretching
or yoga, or energy clearing.

Those practices are very, very important.

Another useful tip is make
sure that you're separating

your energy from other peoples.

In other words, be so grounded in
the essence of who you are that you

know what doesn't feel like you.

You've taken in somebody else's
excitement or motivation or emotions

or fears And if you don't know who you
are, if you aren't connected to your

truth, you can very quickly get confused
between what's theirs and what's yours.

So that's another reason for spending
time in your own aura, because when you

are in your aura, you know what's you.

You know what feels like you.

And the more familiar you become
with that feeling, The more you know

when things don't feel like you,
the energy doesn't feel like you.

So separating what's yours from other
people's is a very important practice.

Um, another practice is You know, do
some form of energy cleansing like

I like to do the waterfall of light.

So I like to sit quietly with my eyes
closed and I'm just imagining this

waterfall of sparkling white light
pouring through my body and cleansing

and taking away, carrying away everything
that is not aligned with my energy.

It could be, uh, taking a bubble bath
with Epsom salts, whatever works for

you, but it's very, very important
for people with several open centers

to have emptying out practices.

Brandi Healy: Thank you for that.

That's such great advice.

I think for all of us that have,
you know, anytime that we're

feeling overwhelmed, right?

It doesn't necessarily have to be
something where it's because of

our open or undefined centers, but
practices that have that, that we

have to connect back to ourselves.

And I think similarly to.

not being able to be quiet
in someone else's presence.

It's also this need for constant
connection and like, you know,

struggling sometimes to like either allow
ourselves, give ourselves permission

to be alone in our own energy or get
comfortable with being in our own energy.

Uma Girish: Yeah.

Yeah.

So important because so often we
seek out other people because we

feel Sort of inadequate or empty or
not enough that we want their energy

to fill our open centers Right.

We're seeking validation.

We're seeking a sort of buffering from
other people's energy, but it doesn't

always mean we receive the kind of
energy we want that we really need.

That's good for us.

And so we can quickly get flooded
and then it takes effort and time

because it affects the way we sleep.

It affects the way we work.

The repercussions of taking
in that energy are many.

And so you just want to be
very careful in how you protect

and preserve your own energy.

Learning to say no is another
very important practice for me.

I say a lot of no's and I
say very few yes's because

invitations have to be correct.

People have to be coming
from the same integrity.

If there's a, if I'm filling out
a Podcast, um, you know, one of

those podcast forms that will
ask you a bunch of questions.

Yeah.

Like an intake form.

Sometimes there's a question with
an asterisk, with a red asterisk,

which says, so, which means I have
to fill that particular, I have to

answer that question, which will be
something like, I did that recently.

And that's why this is coming to mind.

Um, please.

Uh, what was that?

Will you sign up to my YouTube channel
with a, uh, an asterisk and only a yes.

And I had to check the yes box.

So I wrote in the little box that
was provided, I said, I try not

to take in too much information.

I'm not in the place where I want
to consume information that is not

relevant and right for me at this time.

And if this is a deal breaker,
then I can't be on your podcast.

So a lot of things have to line up
for me to say yes to invitations.

If they are asking things of me that
I'm, that don't feel correct for

me, if I'm being asked to be someone
I cannot be, I will often say no.

So setting boundaries is another
energy conserving practice.

Brandi Healy: And there is the
embody six line folks, knowing who

you are living authentically and
inspiring others to do the same.

And I certainly feel very
inspired by this conversation to

Unknown: say, I

Brandi Healy: don't know about you, Kyle.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Um, yeah.

One of the other things I wanted
to ask, I was going to bring up,

but I'm just conscious of the time,
which is on this topic, which is.

You did a thing about, um,
leaving social media, which has

then led me down a rabbit hole.

Um, but yeah, maybe we can have you back
just to do an episode talking about that.

Cause I'm sure we could fill an
episode talking about social media

energetics and how it is relevant
with your human design as well.

Uma Girish: I have so
much to say about that.

I'd love to come back and do
a whole episode with you guys.

Yeah, I would love to share with you

Kyle Wood: my journey since watching
that thing with you and then, um, and

it's not even been about the funny thing.

It's not even been about
leaving social media.

It's just been about getting
back in touch with how I really

want to show up in business.

And that's where it's kind
of, it's kind of gone.

Brandi Healy: Yeah, I think
social media is like an action,

but like the root, it's like,

Kyle Wood: yeah,

Brandi Healy: yeah.

Being authentic in, in your business.

Uma Girish: Yes.

Yes.

And it's amazing the number of aligned
projector invitations that have come

my way since I got off social media.

Yeah.

It's, it's unbelievable.

It's what I want to say is trust you guys.

If you're feeling the pull to
get off social media, don't hang

on because you believe that it's
necessary for your business for,

to get clients and to make money.

No, if your soul is saying you
need to jump off, jump off.

There's a reason why that's happening.

Trust it.

Brandi Healy: I think that ties back
beautifully to where you started.

It's like, what's for you.

You will not miss.

Uma Girish: Yes.

Yeah.

That's right.

You can never miss what's for you.

Kyle Wood: Brandy, was there
anything else you wanted to ask

Uma about or invite her to share?

I mean, I could talk to her all day.

There

Brandi Healy: are so many things.

I'm just like, tell me everything.

Yeah.

Um, but I think like, you know,

Kyle Wood: Start here and just, you know,
Just open the dictionary to start there.

We're just going to work our way through.

Brandi Healy: But I think like, you know,
I don't have any more questions for now.

We would love to have you back on
to have this wider conversation, um,

about your relationship with, you
know, taking on external information.

I think that that that's going
to be something that a lot

of people will find valuable.

Uma Girish: Oh, thank you so much, Brandy.

I've had so much fun
chatting with you guys.

I'd love to come back.

It would be such an honor.

Brandi Healy: It's a day.

Uma Girish: Okay, great.

Brandi Healy: And Uma, since you aren't
on social media, if people want to

connect with you, how can they find you?

Uma Girish: The best place to go to is
my website, which is uma garish.com.

First name, last name.com.

I write on Substack very regularly.

That's uh, uma garish.substack.com.

I've been writing there since you
did start the middle of December.

Yeah.

And I have a podcast, which is
called Being Fully Me, which

is just me sharing my journey.

Brandi Healy: So check out UMA'S
podcast, check out her Substack.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, I'm gonna
follow you on Substack.

Unknown: Awesome.

Done, Anne.

Done.

Kyle Wood: And when I finally start
writing one, we'll be out of your house.

Unknown: Mm hmm.

Kyle Wood: Yes.

Awesome.

Yeah.

Thank you so much for coming on.

Um, sorry it took so long to arrange this.

It's like you were, when we
actually were doing our podcast.

Yes.

When we thought about, yeah, we want
to guess you were like one of the first

names that came up, they were like,
yes, but, uh, this would be, I feel

like this would be a great way to, um,
to get things going in a season two.

So thank you.

Uma Girish: Awesome.

I think the timing was perfect.

It happened when it was
meant to happen and there's a

reason for everything, right?

So it's perfect.

Thanks,

Kyle Wood: Zuma.

Brandi Healy: Appreciate you.

Kyle Wood: All right.

Thanks everyone for listening
and, uh, we'll be back.

In your earbuds soon.

Bye.

Unknown: Bye.